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They already did and paid 1.5B https://authorsguild.org/advocacy/artificial-intelligence/what-authors-need-to-know-about-the-anthropic-settlement/ https://autho

They already did and paid 1.5B https://authorsguild.org/advocacy/artificial-intelligence/what-authors-need-to-know-about-the-anthropic-settlement/ https://authorsguild.org/advocacy/artificial-intelligence/wh...

cr125rider 3mo ago
Meta/Facebook got away with it though right?
gaiagraphia 3mo ago
Quite amusing that the library of libgen is worth 1.5bil for unlimited access. It's about the same valuation as bun, lol.
- mastermedo 3mo ago
  $3,000 per title.
  - scotty79 3mo ago
    Do you think many authors would give you rights to create derivative works en masse for that money?
  - gf000 3mo ago
    For endlessly reselling the whole work verbatim? Well, where can I buy such a license in the real world, because then I would like to buy a couple of those!
mannanj 3mo ago
That's a great cost-benefit ratio. Can you and I steal and do illegal things and pay the same cost?
- eviks 3mo ago
  Sure, but only if you get the same benefits
  - mannanj 3mo ago
    looks like we can't today. Man it would be great to figure out how to be above the law just like how these other rich people in different social classes are.
fg137 3mo ago
That's only a fraction of the training data.
drillsteps5 3mo ago
Interesting. Looks like the judge ruled using legally obtained knowledge (books, articles, etc) to train AI constitutes "fair use". Given that US legal system is precedent-base that... changes things.
HarHarVeryFunny 3mo ago
That's a tiny drop in the bucket of the value these AI companies have appropriated from society. Just to give an idea of the scale of it: Let's say a modern SOTA LLM has 1T params and is therefore trained on 100T tokens 1000 tokens of text = 750 words of prose, which may take 15 min to 3hr to write (Gemini's estimate) 1000 tokens of code = 50-70 lines of code, which may take 15min to 5hr to write We just want a rough estimate of the value of this, so let's say that 1000 tokens took 1hr of human labor to generate at an average wage of $50/hr So, if 1000 tokens cost $50 of human labor, then that 100T of training data cost $5T. So, the value of what the AI companies took from society might better be estimated in the trillions of dollars, not billions. And of course what they are doing with all this data is building generative AI, so it's not just the value of what they took, but more importantly the future opportunity they are stealing from everyone by replacing human labor with their automaton who's profits they intend to keep for themselves.

cr125rider 3mo ago

Meta/Facebook got away with it though right?

gaiagraphia 3mo ago

Quite amusing that the library of libgen is worth 1.5bil for unlimited access. It's about the same valuation as bun, lol.

mastermedo 3mo ago
$3,000 per title.
- scotty79 3mo ago
  Do you think many authors would give you rights to create derivative works en masse for that money?
- gf000 3mo ago
  For endlessly reselling the whole work verbatim? Well, where can I buy such a license in the real world, because then I would like to buy a couple of those!

mannanj 3mo ago

That's a great cost-benefit ratio. Can you and I steal and do illegal things and pay the same cost?

eviks 3mo ago
Sure, but only if you get the same benefits
- mannanj 3mo ago
  looks like we can't today. Man it would be great to figure out how to be above the law just like how these other rich people in different social classes are.

fg137 3mo ago

That's only a fraction of the training data.

drillsteps5 3mo ago

Interesting. Looks like the judge ruled using legally obtained knowledge (books, articles, etc) to train AI constitutes "fair use". Given that US legal system is precedent-base that... changes things.

HarHarVeryFunny 3mo ago

That's a tiny drop in the bucket of the value these AI companies have appropriated from society. Just to give an idea of the scale of it: Let's say a modern SOTA LLM has 1T params and is therefore trained on 100T tokens 1000 tokens of text = 750 words of prose, which may take 15 min to 3hr to write (Gemini's estimate) 1000 tokens of code = 50-70 lines of code, which may take 15min to 5hr to write We just want a rough estimate of the value of this, so let's say that 1000 tokens took 1hr of human labor to generate at an average wage of $50/hr So, if 1000 tokens cost $50 of human labor, then that 100T of training data cost $5T. So, the value of what the AI companies took from society might better be estimated in the trillions of dollars, not billions. And of course what they are doing with all this data is building generative AI, so it's not just the value of what they took, but more importantly the future opportunity they are stealing from everyone by replacing human labor with their automaton who's profits they intend to keep for themselves.