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I wouldn't have nearly as many complaints about this mindset change if ones life (e.g. insurance) weren't still so deeply tied to who your current employer is.

yamillove 4mo ago
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- outside1234 4mo ago
  And the Republicans wrecked it by getting rid of the mandate and then not funding the subsidy.
  - wombat-man 4mo ago
    yeah, and no public option
  - cramer4next 4mo ago
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    - lovich 4mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Affordable_Care_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Affordab... > On November 2, 2017, a bill later known as the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act was introduced by Representative Kevin Brady of Texas. Included in the bill was the move to change the tax penalty for not having health insurance mandated by the Affordable Care Act to zero.[62][63] Economists said this would lower interest in obtaining health insurance coverage.[64] The bill was signed into law on December 22, 2017 by Donald Trump,[65] with the loss of individual mandate taxation being set to take effect January 1, 2019.[62]
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      - yamillove 4mo ago
        Well, the government cannot compel you to buy a product for your own protection. What’s next? Forcing you to use protection during intimate activities?
        lovich 4mo ago
        > Well, the government cannot compel you to buy a product for your own protection. They can, hence the mandates for healthcare. > What’s next? Forcing you to use protection during intimate activities? If you start creating negative externalities for everyone else, then yea. If you are arguing from a libertarian perspective of you can do whatever you want, then I would demand you get a tattoo saying “do not give me medical aid” prominently on your forehead so my taxes aren’t wasted on someone who doesn’t want to contribute to society but expects aid from society. If you are are cool with that deal I am actually ok with you, but don’t be surprised if we drop your body into a Zoroastrian Tower of Silence the moment you go unconscious from a car accident and can’t pay for medical expenses.
        yamillove 4mo ago
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- sbochins 4mo ago
  I think you’re on the wrong website. You’re allowed to be conservative here. But, you can’t be conservative and an idiot.
  - yamillove 4mo ago
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- iwontberude 4mo ago
  Obama was a corporate stooge and neoliberal fuckhead who had majority in the senate and the house and spent his time fighting to pass a republican health care bill and wage illegal wars. I am a democrat but never ever will fall for that trick again. A fool can’t get fooled again.
jimt1234 4mo ago
I'm aware that HN frowns on "THIS", but...THIS!!! I don't know what the best solution for the current healthcare clusterfuck in the US is, but I think disassociating health insurance from employer/employment is a great first step.
- brianwawok 4mo ago
  As a business owner yes please! Charge me a flat insurance tax. And then give everyone insurance. It’s such a cluster.
- kelvinjps10 4mo ago
  Improving coverage and acceptance by plans in the marketplace would be a good start. Multiple healthcare providers only accept plans from an employer or the state, not individual plans bought in the marketplace. Crazy that in a pro-business country, if you have your own business or you're self-employed, you can't have access to healthcare
  - collabs 4mo ago
    The goal should be a single payer health care system. I am not asking for like luxury spa five star treatment. However, there definitely should be a "free of cost at the point of service" option that does not have any means testing of any kind. That should be the goal and once we have that, it will not matter if you are self employed or own a business. We keep doing half measures and pretend to be surprised when it doesn't work.
    - bigfatkitten 4mo ago
      The U.S. already spends considerably more tax dollars per capita on health care than almost any other country, with much less to show for it.
- tonyedgecombe 4mo ago
  I’m always amazed that the US is as entrepreneurial as it is given the healthcare situation.

yamillove 4mo ago

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outside1234 4mo ago
And the Republicans wrecked it by getting rid of the mandate and then not funding the subsidy.
- wombat-man 4mo ago
  yeah, and no public option
- cramer4next 4mo ago
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  - lovich 4mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Affordable_Care_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efforts_to_repeal_the_Affordab... > On November 2, 2017, a bill later known as the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act was introduced by Representative Kevin Brady of Texas. Included in the bill was the move to change the tax penalty for not having health insurance mandated by the Affordable Care Act to zero.[62][63] Economists said this would lower interest in obtaining health insurance coverage.[64] The bill was signed into law on December 22, 2017 by Donald Trump,[65] with the loss of individual mandate taxation being set to take effect January 1, 2019.[62]
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    - yamillove 4mo ago
      Well, the government cannot compel you to buy a product for your own protection. What’s next? Forcing you to use protection during intimate activities?
      - lovich 4mo ago
        > Well, the government cannot compel you to buy a product for your own protection. They can, hence the mandates for healthcare. > What’s next? Forcing you to use protection during intimate activities? If you start creating negative externalities for everyone else, then yea. If you are arguing from a libertarian perspective of you can do whatever you want, then I would demand you get a tattoo saying “do not give me medical aid” prominently on your forehead so my taxes aren’t wasted on someone who doesn’t want to contribute to society but expects aid from society. If you are are cool with that deal I am actually ok with you, but don’t be surprised if we drop your body into a Zoroastrian Tower of Silence the moment you go unconscious from a car accident and can’t pay for medical expenses.
        yamillove 4mo ago
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sbochins 4mo ago
I think you’re on the wrong website. You’re allowed to be conservative here. But, you can’t be conservative and an idiot.
- yamillove 4mo ago
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iwontberude 4mo ago
Obama was a corporate stooge and neoliberal fuckhead who had majority in the senate and the house and spent his time fighting to pass a republican health care bill and wage illegal wars. I am a democrat but never ever will fall for that trick again. A fool can’t get fooled again.

jimt1234 4mo ago

I'm aware that HN frowns on "THIS", but...THIS!!! I don't know what the best solution for the current healthcare clusterfuck in the US is, but I think disassociating health insurance from employer/employment is a great first step.

brianwawok 4mo ago
As a business owner yes please! Charge me a flat insurance tax. And then give everyone insurance. It’s such a cluster.
kelvinjps10 4mo ago
Improving coverage and acceptance by plans in the marketplace would be a good start. Multiple healthcare providers only accept plans from an employer or the state, not individual plans bought in the marketplace. Crazy that in a pro-business country, if you have your own business or you're self-employed, you can't have access to healthcare
- collabs 4mo ago
  The goal should be a single payer health care system. I am not asking for like luxury spa five star treatment. However, there definitely should be a "free of cost at the point of service" option that does not have any means testing of any kind. That should be the goal and once we have that, it will not matter if you are self employed or own a business. We keep doing half measures and pretend to be surprised when it doesn't work.
  - bigfatkitten 4mo ago
    The U.S. already spends considerably more tax dollars per capita on health care than almost any other country, with much less to show for it.
tonyedgecombe 4mo ago
I’m always amazed that the US is as entrepreneurial as it is given the healthcare situation.