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If every couple had one EV truck for heavy lifting and a small ICE hatchback for long distances, we’d reduce our emissions and our gas bills massively. Most pe

by scoofy 4mo ago

If every couple had one EV truck for heavy lifting and a small ICE hatchback for long distances, we’d reduce our emissions and our gas bills massively. Most people don’t have to pick an everything vehicle. We all benefit when we focus on maximizing our division of labor.

lastofthemojito 4mo ago
> If every couple had one EV truck for heavy lifting and a small ICE hatchback for long distances Maybe it's because I'm a dad but I can't imagine telling the family, "Roadtrip time! Let's all pack into the smaller car!". When we're taking the long family road trip to the beach or whatever, we always end up with the big car full of boogie boards and pool toys and cooler and beach umbrella, etc. Bigger cars with longer wheelbases tend to be more comfortable on the highway as well. The folks I know who do the ICE/EV split household like you've mentioned tend to do the opposite. Dad has a small EV for a cheap and easy commute to work and Mom has an ICE (or hybrid) SUV or minivan that gets used for the long road trips as well as daily errands (but Mom doesn't rack up enough miles for the cost of gas to be much of a worry). There also seems to be less willingness from women (at least in the US) to make the switch to full EVs.
- scoofy 4mo ago
  Yea, I just think that's a luxury for folks who have plenty of money. When you're basing your use case on 1% of use, then you're buying a luxury car, but pretending it's practical. A practical plan is a diversion of labor that maximizes the best and most frequent use cases.
  - bluGill 4mo ago
    That is how most of the middle class in the US works. Now granted the US middle class is well off by world standards but they don't consider it luxury they consider it normal.
    - scoofy 4mo ago
      Yes, and at the same time they are whinging about the price of automobiles and gasoline. Preferences are driven by culture in the short run and by practicality in the long run.
flumes_whims_ 4mo ago
Are you including the emissions of producing two cars instead of one?
- scoofy 4mo ago
  No, because the family is going to have two cars anyway. Once we're at the point where a single vehicle and, say, an ebike are acceptable transit options, then America will have already exceeded it's climate goals. To achieve that, we'd likely need density near that of San Francisco (about 1.10 vehicles per household) or Chicago (about 1.12). Even bike friendly cities that are fairly dense, like Portland, have about 1.5 cars per household. Again, though, the savings from that would be exceedingly obvious for anyone who chooses this path.

by scoofy 4mo ago

lastofthemojito 4mo ago

> If every couple had one EV truck for heavy lifting and a small ICE hatchback for long distances Maybe it's because I'm a dad but I can't imagine telling the family, "Roadtrip time! Let's all pack into the smaller car!". When we're taking the long family road trip to the beach or whatever, we always end up with the big car full of boogie boards and pool toys and cooler and beach umbrella, etc. Bigger cars with longer wheelbases tend to be more comfortable on the highway as well. The folks I know who do the ICE/EV split household like you've mentioned tend to do the opposite. Dad has a small EV for a cheap and easy commute to work and Mom has an ICE (or hybrid) SUV or minivan that gets used for the long road trips as well as daily errands (but Mom doesn't rack up enough miles for the cost of gas to be much of a worry). There also seems to be less willingness from women (at least in the US) to make the switch to full EVs.

scoofy 4mo ago
Yea, I just think that's a luxury for folks who have plenty of money. When you're basing your use case on 1% of use, then you're buying a luxury car, but pretending it's practical. A practical plan is a diversion of labor that maximizes the best and most frequent use cases.
- bluGill 4mo ago
  That is how most of the middle class in the US works. Now granted the US middle class is well off by world standards but they don't consider it luxury they consider it normal.
  - scoofy 4mo ago
    Yes, and at the same time they are whinging about the price of automobiles and gasoline. Preferences are driven by culture in the short run and by practicality in the long run.

flumes_whims_ 4mo ago

Are you including the emissions of producing two cars instead of one?

scoofy 4mo ago
No, because the family is going to have two cars anyway. Once we're at the point where a single vehicle and, say, an ebike are acceptable transit options, then America will have already exceeded it's climate goals. To achieve that, we'd likely need density near that of San Francisco (about 1.10 vehicles per household) or Chicago (about 1.12). Even bike friendly cities that are fairly dense, like Portland, have about 1.5 cars per household. Again, though, the savings from that would be exceedingly obvious for anyone who chooses this path.