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Doesn't make any sense. They could just force them to provide Mythos to the federal government.

wan23 4mo ago
You misunderstand - the government issued a directive to Anthropic that effectively forced them to pull access from everyone, even their own employees.
- hk__2 4mo ago
  The directive was to remove access to non-Americans, not to pull access from everyone. It’s because Anthropic cannot verify the identity of its users that it pulled access from everyone, not because the government explicitely requested that.
  - greatpatton 4mo ago
    If their operation team is not US based that's going to be difficult to operate. They would have to reorganize the whole company as I'm pretty sure that they are not employing only US citizen.
    - msm_ 4mo ago
      >I'm pretty sure that they are not employing only US citizen Understatement. They have 14 offices, only 4 of them are in the US (6 are in EMEA, 4 in APAC).
  - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    > directive was to remove access to non-Americans Did Hegseth pull his supply-chain risk BS?
    - sailfast 4mo ago
      No - this was a separate power unrelated to the supply chain risk which is still in effect.
      - scottyah 4mo ago
        Well, kinda in effect. He lacked the authority to make the call, and it is quite obviously being ignored by most suppliers. If it were actually enforced, I believe no companies that are contractors for the DoD could even host Anthropic- like GCP, Azure, and AWS. Perhaps they are currently figuring out how to get off all cloud provider govclouds, but I doubt it.
  - kelnos 4mo ago
    Yes that's what "effectively" means.
JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
> They could just force them to provide Mythos to the federal government The DPA only gives that power to the President [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950
- d--b 4mo ago
  Maybe GP was treating Trump to the royal "they"
  - JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
    Which is a fundamental mistake to make with the U.S. government, even if we’re talking only about the executive branch, even if we’re only talking about DoD, even if we’re only talking about the IC.
  - flybarrel 4mo ago
    doubt Trump would accept that pronoun
aleqs 4mo ago
Yeah... NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company (based on my reading/following of Snowden leaks and others). Anthropic wouldn't be able to exist without implicit NSA approval. This article reads more like a marketing piece for Anthropic/Mythos... and ends by talking about how much NSA wants Anthropic models. Propaganda.
- strictnein 4mo ago
  > NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company No, they don't.
  - vintermann 4mo ago
    It's back to the question of how much you should give the benefit of doubt to powerful people who openly lie.
    - strictnein 4mo ago
      It's just not technically feasible, so there's nothing to lie about. They're not MITMing petabytes/sec across dozens (hundreds?) of companies and they haven't broken TLS1.3. If I have a box at Digital Ocean and I'm communicating with it with TLS1.3 using a Let's Encrypt cert that I generated, where, exactly, does this magical MITM box come into play?
      - aleqs 4mo ago
        Of course it's feasible, you just intercept the traffic post-decryption on the cloud/server side. You don't control how/where your traffic to 3p cloud services is decrypted.
        kelnos 4mo ago
        You keep saying this, but it's nonsensical. If I terminate TLS on the box that does processing, there's nothing to intercept. And these days (especially post-Snowden), many (most?) companies encrypt data when sending between servers within their own (private network) infrastructure.
graemep 4mo ago
The current position seems to be no-one has access, not even Anthropic employees. What powers does the US government have to force them to provide access? If they have that power why did they not use it to force them to provide their products for military use?
- ceejayoz 4mo ago
  > What powers does the US government have to force them to provide access? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950 This would not be a particularly big stretch here, either.
  - graemep 4mo ago
    There is even a precedent for its use with regard to AI (only disclosing information, but still). Biden used it, why does Trump not do so?
bluGill 4mo ago
Probably not. The US constitution limits what government can force on the people. If the NSA tries to force something that will spend years in court (if anyone wants to fight)
- folkrav 4mo ago
  The constitution limits a lot of things that this administration has done regardless.
  - distill17801 4mo ago
    I hear you but, the Patriot act was the gateway. View it as a spectrum from then and how the Administration is now, and suddenly what the Donald is doing doesn't even seem bad: it seems on par for the dystopian road-map laid out long ago (I can't speak for before 9/11)
    - pixl97 3mo ago
      I mean encryption was considered arms when the internet first came about so it's not exactly a new power or means of welding it.
    - folkrav 3mo ago
      It is BOTH bad AND par for the course.
- stackghost 4mo ago
  > The US constitution limits what government can force on the people. The US constitution also prohibits: - refusing to spend money that congress has appropriated - dismantling congressionally-created federal agencies without congressional authorization - directing federal agencies to selectively apply the law according to the preference of the executive - giving control of federal agencies to individuals who have not been appointed by the legislative branch - terminating, detaining, or deporting people without due process - retaliation against private citizens or corporations for speech protected under the first amendment - discriminating on protected grounds under the equal protections clause ... and yet the administration has done all these things with impunity while effete judges wring their hands and write sternly-worded letters. The US constitution demonstrably no longer has any force or effect.
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wan23 4mo ago

You misunderstand - the government issued a directive to Anthropic that effectively forced them to pull access from everyone, even their own employees.

hk__2 4mo ago
The directive was to remove access to non-Americans, not to pull access from everyone. It’s because Anthropic cannot verify the identity of its users that it pulled access from everyone, not because the government explicitely requested that.
- greatpatton 4mo ago
  If their operation team is not US based that's going to be difficult to operate. They would have to reorganize the whole company as I'm pretty sure that they are not employing only US citizen.
  - msm_ 4mo ago
    >I'm pretty sure that they are not employing only US citizen Understatement. They have 14 offices, only 4 of them are in the US (6 are in EMEA, 4 in APAC).
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  > directive was to remove access to non-Americans Did Hegseth pull his supply-chain risk BS?
  - sailfast 4mo ago
    No - this was a separate power unrelated to the supply chain risk which is still in effect.
    - scottyah 4mo ago
      Well, kinda in effect. He lacked the authority to make the call, and it is quite obviously being ignored by most suppliers. If it were actually enforced, I believe no companies that are contractors for the DoD could even host Anthropic- like GCP, Azure, and AWS. Perhaps they are currently figuring out how to get off all cloud provider govclouds, but I doubt it.
- kelnos 4mo ago
  Yes that's what "effectively" means.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago

> They could just force them to provide Mythos to the federal government The DPA only gives that power to the President [1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950

d--b 4mo ago
Maybe GP was treating Trump to the royal "they"
- JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
  Which is a fundamental mistake to make with the U.S. government, even if we’re talking only about the executive branch, even if we’re only talking about DoD, even if we’re only talking about the IC.
- flybarrel 4mo ago
  doubt Trump would accept that pronoun

aleqs 4mo ago

Yeah... NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company (based on my reading/following of Snowden leaks and others). Anthropic wouldn't be able to exist without implicit NSA approval. This article reads more like a marketing piece for Anthropic/Mythos... and ends by talking about how much NSA wants Anthropic models. Propaganda.

strictnein 4mo ago
> NSA literally has MITM proxies/interception of any traffic they want inside every major US tech company No, they don't.
- vintermann 4mo ago
  It's back to the question of how much you should give the benefit of doubt to powerful people who openly lie.
  - strictnein 4mo ago
    It's just not technically feasible, so there's nothing to lie about. They're not MITMing petabytes/sec across dozens (hundreds?) of companies and they haven't broken TLS1.3. If I have a box at Digital Ocean and I'm communicating with it with TLS1.3 using a Let's Encrypt cert that I generated, where, exactly, does this magical MITM box come into play?
    - aleqs 4mo ago
      Of course it's feasible, you just intercept the traffic post-decryption on the cloud/server side. You don't control how/where your traffic to 3p cloud services is decrypted.
      - kelnos 4mo ago
        You keep saying this, but it's nonsensical. If I terminate TLS on the box that does processing, there's nothing to intercept. And these days (especially post-Snowden), many (most?) companies encrypt data when sending between servers within their own (private network) infrastructure.

graemep 4mo ago

The current position seems to be no-one has access, not even Anthropic employees. What powers does the US government have to force them to provide access? If they have that power why did they not use it to force them to provide their products for military use?

ceejayoz 4mo ago
> What powers does the US government have to force them to provide access? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defense_Production_Act_of_1950 This would not be a particularly big stretch here, either.
- graemep 4mo ago
  There is even a precedent for its use with regard to AI (only disclosing information, but still). Biden used it, why does Trump not do so?

bluGill 4mo ago

Probably not. The US constitution limits what government can force on the people. If the NSA tries to force something that will spend years in court (if anyone wants to fight)

folkrav 4mo ago
The constitution limits a lot of things that this administration has done regardless.
- distill17801 4mo ago
  I hear you but, the Patriot act was the gateway. View it as a spectrum from then and how the Administration is now, and suddenly what the Donald is doing doesn't even seem bad: it seems on par for the dystopian road-map laid out long ago (I can't speak for before 9/11)
  - pixl97 3mo ago
    I mean encryption was considered arms when the internet first came about so it's not exactly a new power or means of welding it.
  - folkrav 3mo ago
    It is BOTH bad AND par for the course.
stackghost 4mo ago
> The US constitution limits what government can force on the people. The US constitution also prohibits: - refusing to spend money that congress has appropriated - dismantling congressionally-created federal agencies without congressional authorization - directing federal agencies to selectively apply the law according to the preference of the executive - giving control of federal agencies to individuals who have not been appointed by the legislative branch - terminating, detaining, or deporting people without due process - retaliation against private citizens or corporations for speech protected under the first amendment - discriminating on protected grounds under the equal protections clause ... and yet the administration has done all these things with impunity while effete judges wring their hands and write sternly-worded letters. The US constitution demonstrably no longer has any force or effect.

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