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"The new Dell Ubuntu laptop is the only thing I can think of as a reasonable alternative to what Apple's doing." Maybe you should get your head out of the gutt

"The new Dell Ubuntu laptop is the only thing I can think of as a reasonable alternative to what Apple's doing." Maybe you should get your head out of the gutter and realize a laptop isn't deemed "good" because it's an alternative to "what Apple's doing". Edit: And to whoever downvoted this, thank you for proving my point.

meaty 14y ago
You nailed it. The pretty factor is not at all important, neither is blindly copying a vendor.
- astrodust 14y ago
  I guess I should be wearing shoes made from truck tires and old seatbelts, shirts made from recycled canvas bags, and underpants made from old rags because who cares about appearances.
  - meaty 14y ago
    No you should buy shirts made of cotton, not tinfoil is what I'm suggesting.
  - indiecore 14y ago
    Realize that aesthetics are largely subjective. I personally think the Thinkpad line looks a hell of a lot BETTER than the rounded corner/aluminum macbooks.
    - astrodust 14y ago
      So then appearances are important to you, but you have a different sense of what looks better. That's a lot more reasonable than insisting appearance doesn't matter.
      - indiecore 14y ago
        I think people who say "appearance doesn't matter" really just mean "appearance is ranked much lower than whatever specs I am looking for", obviously at some level the look of the thing will come into play.
astrodust 14y ago
Until there are other vendors on the same page as Apple, there's no way to put it otherwise. If you want to buy power tools, a watch, a car, you have many choices of first-rate products. When it comes to computers it's such a broken marketplace. It'd be a world where there's BMW and a whole bunch of Hyundai-type companies. I have my head in the gutter because I have standards? Expectations? That appearances do matter? Sorry if I don't come from the school of function trumping form, and that I care about attention to details.
- Tipzntrix 14y ago
  For laptops, there's Dell, Lenovo, ASUS, Sony, and more...a lot of them don't cost as much as Apple, but their benchmarks match up at a cheaper cost.
  - astrodust 14y ago
    You're missing the point. It's not about benchmarks. That's like buying a car based on horsepower or quarter mile times. It doesn't matter as much as you'd think. It's about build quality. About vendor support. About durability. I can't be the only one disappointed that there aren't many options if those are the things you value.
    - Breakthrough 14y ago
      "It's about build quality. About vendor support. About durability. I can't be the only one disappointed that there aren't many options if those are the things you value." That's fine, and that's perfectly acceptable. Unfortunately, I think you are missing the point, since Apple products don't have any of those qualities (especially vendor support, given the text of the linked article...). I might bend a bit on build quality (especially since a majority of the parts aren't manufactured by Apple to begin with, and the parts that are do generally have good durability), but I see absolutely no advantage by Apple in the other departments. And really, how good of a metric metric is build quality when the entire computer ends up super-glued together?
    - Tipzntrix 14y ago

meaty 14y ago

You nailed it. The pretty factor is not at all important, neither is blindly copying a vendor.

astrodust 14y ago
I guess I should be wearing shoes made from truck tires and old seatbelts, shirts made from recycled canvas bags, and underpants made from old rags because who cares about appearances.
- meaty 14y ago
  No you should buy shirts made of cotton, not tinfoil is what I'm suggesting.
- indiecore 14y ago
  Realize that aesthetics are largely subjective. I personally think the Thinkpad line looks a hell of a lot BETTER than the rounded corner/aluminum macbooks.
  - astrodust 14y ago
    So then appearances are important to you, but you have a different sense of what looks better. That's a lot more reasonable than insisting appearance doesn't matter.
    - indiecore 14y ago
      I think people who say "appearance doesn't matter" really just mean "appearance is ranked much lower than whatever specs I am looking for", obviously at some level the look of the thing will come into play.

astrodust 14y ago

Until there are other vendors on the same page as Apple, there's no way to put it otherwise. If you want to buy power tools, a watch, a car, you have many choices of first-rate products. When it comes to computers it's such a broken marketplace. It'd be a world where there's BMW and a whole bunch of Hyundai-type companies. I have my head in the gutter because I have standards? Expectations? That appearances do matter? Sorry if I don't come from the school of function trumping form, and that I care about attention to details.

Tipzntrix 14y ago
For laptops, there's Dell, Lenovo, ASUS, Sony, and more...a lot of them don't cost as much as Apple, but their benchmarks match up at a cheaper cost.
- astrodust 14y ago
  You're missing the point. It's not about benchmarks. That's like buying a car based on horsepower or quarter mile times. It doesn't matter as much as you'd think. It's about build quality. About vendor support. About durability. I can't be the only one disappointed that there aren't many options if those are the things you value.
  - Breakthrough 14y ago
    "It's about build quality. About vendor support. About durability. I can't be the only one disappointed that there aren't many options if those are the things you value." That's fine, and that's perfectly acceptable. Unfortunately, I think you are missing the point, since Apple products don't have any of those qualities (especially vendor support, given the text of the linked article...). I might bend a bit on build quality (especially since a majority of the parts aren't manufactured by Apple to begin with, and the parts that are do generally have good durability), but I see absolutely no advantage by Apple in the other departments. And really, how good of a metric metric is build quality when the entire computer ends up super-glued together?
  - Tipzntrix 14y ago