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This is just fundamentally not true, literally every single home in the USA is capable of level 2 charging, the question is just do they have a 240v outlet some

This is just fundamentally not true, literally every single home in the USA is capable of level 2 charging, the question is just do they have a 240v outlet somewhere nearby to a garage or parking spot. Using apps like ABRP you can easily schedule your drip to have the optimal stops for route planning based on your battery technology, if you are doing a drive long enough to have multiple stops that should be part of your travel planning even with a gas car alongside a pre-trip check. You can easily circumnavigate the entire USA with an EV that supports NACS!

bluGill 4mo ago
> every single home in the USA is capable of level 2 charging Agreed > the question is just do they have a 240v outlet somewhere nearby to a garage or parking spot. They almost never do. This is the key thing you are not understanding about my reply. We can get level 2 anywhere, but most of the time it means you have to have an electrician. > Using apps like ABRP That is my objection. When I drive a gas car don't need an app. I drive until my gauge gets "low" and then find the next gas station - I can be assured that almost anywhere I will make it to a gas station if I start looking when the gauge reaches 1/8 (though I refuse to let it go below 1/4 for safety reasons). No app needed for gas, there are big signs everywhere that alert me where I can fill up. Last road trip I looked for those signs wondering if I could have used the EV and there wasn't 1 in 300 miles: then I pulled up the app, and there were plenty - but none where in places you could see from the main road and none advertised (they were also a lot less common than gas stations)
- vablings 4mo ago
  > They almost never do. This is the key thing you are not understanding about my reply. We can get level 2 anywhere, but most of the time it means you have to have an electrician. In my personal experience most, homes have a dryer outlet in the washroom connected to the garage at least in TX. It's no bother running a cable from the washroom to the garage. > That is my objection. When I drive a gas car don't need an app Any time I am making a long drive I always use a GPS app such as Waze or Apple Maps, I don't know what's on the road ahead traffic, accidents and closures the app will re-route me appropriately and optimally. If you made a drive so regularly you felt like you didn't need an app then you would already know on that route where charging stations are. I do agree they are less common than gas stations because of a few reasons but that's set to change with time and market adoption.
  - bluGill 4mo ago
    TX is the key. Where I live nobody would put a washroom in an unheated space - the pipes would freeze and break. Thus no easy to get at dryer outlet. I'm not sure how far north things change, but my impression is not very. Rest areas in TX often don't put doors on the restrooms (thus heat is not possible), but OK does - implying that it gets cold enough to need them (but this was also very different ages of building so not a fair comparison) I use a GPS when I don't know the route, but I've been to parents in a different state several times - I don't need a GPS interrupting my music to get there. I agree EV chargers are being installed and will be installed more and more.
    - alistairSH 4mo ago
      FWIW, placing a climate-controlled laundry room or mud room between the house and the garage is pretty common here in VA. It might not have the dryer (washer/dryer have mostly moved upstairs to bedroom level for new builds), but there's a good chance it won't be hard to pull that 240 circuit into the garage. That's assuming you have a garage and the breaker box isn't already in it, which is also common. Of course, I have neither, so installing a car charger would be expensive. Thus my continued use of ICE vehicles.
      - bluGill 4mo ago
        I do have my laundry room right next to the garage. However, I would not consider it a useful place to plug in a car, except maybe as an extreme emergency. It requires moving the dryer out of the way since the outlet is near the floor behind it. While this is certainly possible to do, it's not exactly easy. Also, your typical dryer plug is built to remain plugged in for years on end and so even if you would try this, it will wear out the socket really quick.
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        bryanlarsen 4mo ago
        You can get a "Dryer Buddy" or similar transfer switch and plug both the car and dryer into it.
- esseph 4mo ago
  > That is my objection. When I drive a gas car don't need an app. I drive until my gauge gets "low" and then find the next gas station You may use your phones maps app while driving to show you the nearest gas station, or even the cheapest. You might also do the same with EV charging.
Marsymars 4mo ago
> This is just fundamentally not true, literally every single home in the USA is capable of level 2 charging, the question is just do they have a 240v outlet somewhere nearby to a garage or parking spot. Technically true, but if you've only got 60 amp service to your home because it was built in 1955 and the cost to run a new service line is greater than the cost of a new car, it's pretty difficult to get any useful amperage to your level 2 charger.
- vablings 4mo ago
  The price of a 200-amp service upgrade should not cost more than $25,000. Even in the most extreme examples it shouldn't come anywhere near to that cost.
  - Marsymars 4mo ago
    $25k would be on the low end for what my the electric provider charges for houses located like mine. That's just the cost of horizontal drilling and installing conduit. Pulling the service wire, upgrading the panel, etc. are all normally priced. See https://www.titam.ca/2021/05/cost-to-upgrade-underground-electrical.html https://www.titam.ca/2021/05/cost-to-upgrade-underground-ele... The transformer for my house is two lots away and under a pathway. Would be less expensive to install a natural gas generator and connect an EV directly to that whenever I need to charge it.
    - vablings 3mo ago
      My argument for pricing is based on the USA. A large majority of homes are connected via overhead hookup and often do not require a transformer replacement since they are oversized a reasonable margin and have been for decades, it only usually requires fairly minimal work. Also, your price is in CAD not USD Also also, for the case that you already have power unless it was installed a long time ago its probably already in conduit and doesn't require any horizontal drilling

bluGill 4mo ago

> every single home in the USA is capable of level 2 charging Agreed > the question is just do they have a 240v outlet somewhere nearby to a garage or parking spot. They almost never do. This is the key thing you are not understanding about my reply. We can get level 2 anywhere, but most of the time it means you have to have an electrician. > Using apps like ABRP That is my objection. When I drive a gas car don't need an app. I drive until my gauge gets "low" and then find the next gas station - I can be assured that almost anywhere I will make it to a gas station if I start looking when the gauge reaches 1/8 (though I refuse to let it go below 1/4 for safety reasons). No app needed for gas, there are big signs everywhere that alert me where I can fill up. Last road trip I looked for those signs wondering if I could have used the EV and there wasn't 1 in 300 miles: then I pulled up the app, and there were plenty - but none where in places you could see from the main road and none advertised (they were also a lot less common than gas stations)

vablings 4mo ago
> They almost never do. This is the key thing you are not understanding about my reply. We can get level 2 anywhere, but most of the time it means you have to have an electrician. In my personal experience most, homes have a dryer outlet in the washroom connected to the garage at least in TX. It's no bother running a cable from the washroom to the garage. > That is my objection. When I drive a gas car don't need an app Any time I am making a long drive I always use a GPS app such as Waze or Apple Maps, I don't know what's on the road ahead traffic, accidents and closures the app will re-route me appropriately and optimally. If you made a drive so regularly you felt like you didn't need an app then you would already know on that route where charging stations are. I do agree they are less common than gas stations because of a few reasons but that's set to change with time and market adoption.
- bluGill 4mo ago
  TX is the key. Where I live nobody would put a washroom in an unheated space - the pipes would freeze and break. Thus no easy to get at dryer outlet. I'm not sure how far north things change, but my impression is not very. Rest areas in TX often don't put doors on the restrooms (thus heat is not possible), but OK does - implying that it gets cold enough to need them (but this was also very different ages of building so not a fair comparison) I use a GPS when I don't know the route, but I've been to parents in a different state several times - I don't need a GPS interrupting my music to get there. I agree EV chargers are being installed and will be installed more and more.
  - alistairSH 4mo ago
    FWIW, placing a climate-controlled laundry room or mud room between the house and the garage is pretty common here in VA. It might not have the dryer (washer/dryer have mostly moved upstairs to bedroom level for new builds), but there's a good chance it won't be hard to pull that 240 circuit into the garage. That's assuming you have a garage and the breaker box isn't already in it, which is also common. Of course, I have neither, so installing a car charger would be expensive. Thus my continued use of ICE vehicles.
    - bluGill 4mo ago
      I do have my laundry room right next to the garage. However, I would not consider it a useful place to plug in a car, except maybe as an extreme emergency. It requires moving the dryer out of the way since the outlet is near the floor behind it. While this is certainly possible to do, it's not exactly easy. Also, your typical dryer plug is built to remain plugged in for years on end and so even if you would try this, it will wear out the socket really quick.
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      - bryanlarsen 4mo ago
        You can get a "Dryer Buddy" or similar transfer switch and plug both the car and dryer into it.
esseph 4mo ago
> That is my objection. When I drive a gas car don't need an app. I drive until my gauge gets "low" and then find the next gas station You may use your phones maps app while driving to show you the nearest gas station, or even the cheapest. You might also do the same with EV charging.

Marsymars 4mo ago

> This is just fundamentally not true, literally every single home in the USA is capable of level 2 charging, the question is just do they have a 240v outlet somewhere nearby to a garage or parking spot. Technically true, but if you've only got 60 amp service to your home because it was built in 1955 and the cost to run a new service line is greater than the cost of a new car, it's pretty difficult to get any useful amperage to your level 2 charger.

vablings 4mo ago
The price of a 200-amp service upgrade should not cost more than $25,000. Even in the most extreme examples it shouldn't come anywhere near to that cost.
- Marsymars 4mo ago
  $25k would be on the low end for what my the electric provider charges for houses located like mine. That's just the cost of horizontal drilling and installing conduit. Pulling the service wire, upgrading the panel, etc. are all normally priced. See https://www.titam.ca/2021/05/cost-to-upgrade-underground-electrical.html https://www.titam.ca/2021/05/cost-to-upgrade-underground-ele... The transformer for my house is two lots away and under a pathway. Would be less expensive to install a natural gas generator and connect an EV directly to that whenever I need to charge it.
  - vablings 3mo ago
    My argument for pricing is based on the USA. A large majority of homes are connected via overhead hookup and often do not require a transformer replacement since they are oversized a reasonable margin and have been for decades, it only usually requires fairly minimal work. Also, your price is in CAD not USD Also also, for the case that you already have power unless it was installed a long time ago its probably already in conduit and doesn't require any horizontal drilling