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I'm not that different from you. I also love coding and I love cleverness in coding. However, I also care about "product". That doesn't mean I expect everythin

I'm not that different from you. I also love coding and I love cleverness in coding. However, I also care about "product". That doesn't mean I expect everything to be a "product". If you tell me, "Hey, look at this clever concept/technique/trick/idea/spike/prototype that I cobbled together", I'm not going to tell you "Damn, why is it so ugly/slow/buggy" (unless the idea was specifically to be pretty/fast/bug-free). You and I basically disagree about the assumed purpose of Bret's site. If his site were a game, then I would be the dude who's disappointed because it's Quake III and not Dragon Age ;) PS: Caring about "product" and UX doesn't mean you'll get burned out or go into management ;) I know you weren't generalizing, but talking about your specific case instead, but I just wanted to mention that caring about code and caring about users are things that don't work against each other.

klibertp 14y ago
> You and I basically disagree about the assumed purpose of Bret's site. Fair enough :) I think we should wait for Bret's comment on this, only he will be able to tell us what he really intended to achieve with his site. > Caring about "product" and UX doesn't mean you'll get burned out or go into management ;) I know you weren't generalizing, I wasn't generalizing, but I certainly was exaggerating... a bit. Sure I like my code to be used, and that it feels nice to have users that are happy to work with something I created. It's just that my focus is primarily in code and I feel a bit frustrated here, because it seems like I'm in minority. There are many people here commenting on cool, clever, technical hacks, but I feel that there is more of those who only `itertools.cycle(["product", "business value", "product", "customers", "product", "shipping", "product"])`... I don't think it's wrong, just that I don't feel that way and would like to be recognized as someone of value (not necessarily business value) too :)

klibertp 14y ago

> You and I basically disagree about the assumed purpose of Bret's site. Fair enough :) I think we should wait for Bret's comment on this, only he will be able to tell us what he really intended to achieve with his site. > Caring about "product" and UX doesn't mean you'll get burned out or go into management ;) I know you weren't generalizing, I wasn't generalizing, but I certainly was exaggerating... a bit. Sure I like my code to be used, and that it feels nice to have users that are happy to work with something I created. It's just that my focus is primarily in code and I feel a bit frustrated here, because it seems like I'm in minority. There are many people here commenting on cool, clever, technical hacks, but I feel that there is more of those who only `itertools.cycle(["product", "business value", "product", "customers", "product", "shipping", "product"])`... I don't think it's wrong, just that I don't feel that way and would like to be recognized as someone of value (not necessarily business value) too :)