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I looked up stealing to ground this comment of mine: > stealing: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice I

by mannanj 4mo ago

I looked up stealing to ground this comment of mine: > stealing: to take the property of another wrongfully and especially as a habitual or regular practice I admire Ben for being so direct. I wonder why we fetishize, herbicide and normalize theft, even deception today. When did this become normal, and why draw the line at digital creation and not just allow theft of physical objects, too? (I mean I get the arguments about copying someones digital creation doesn't really mean you took what they had from them, you just made a copy, though this doesn't logically apply to if I also physically stole someones product and made a copy since copyright/patent protection likely applies)

anonyfox 4mo ago
the very point is that theft means you no longer have something since someone else has. copying is you still have it and someone else now too. there is no harm done by copying, except you actually believe that exclusivity as a separate concept is important to you. (debatable, I don't).
- mannanj 4mo ago
  why not? I'm curious what you define as "property". Does property have to be physical? For example if you felt your body and your mind was your property, if someone else copied your mind and was now profiting off of that without your consent, would you not feel that harmful to you?
  - fragmede 4mo ago
    If someone generated AI porn of me I'd certainly feel violated, among other things, but it's not stealing the same way as stealing my car so I can't get to work is. So it's not stealing, we need a different word. copyright infringement doesn't roll off the tongue though. 盗版 "doh baan" is Cantonese for pirated software/media. The original isn't easy to type, but daoban is. Daoban might not ever enter western lexicon the same way tsunami or kowtow has, but stealing is just the wrong word to use.
    - mannanj 4mo ago
      Which words are you proposing work better for the scenarios in this article?
      - fragmede 4mo ago
        Daoban is the word I'm introducing from Cantonese.
sokoloff 4mo ago
> fetishize, herbicide and normalize I’m very curious what “herbicide” was an auto-complete for here…
- Noumenon72 4mo ago
  ChatGPT guesses "heroicize".
  - mannanj 4mo ago
    yes that was it.

by mannanj 4mo ago

anonyfox 4mo ago

the very point is that theft means you no longer have something since someone else has. copying is you still have it and someone else now too. there is no harm done by copying, except you actually believe that exclusivity as a separate concept is important to you. (debatable, I don't).

mannanj 4mo ago
why not? I'm curious what you define as "property". Does property have to be physical? For example if you felt your body and your mind was your property, if someone else copied your mind and was now profiting off of that without your consent, would you not feel that harmful to you?
- fragmede 4mo ago
  If someone generated AI porn of me I'd certainly feel violated, among other things, but it's not stealing the same way as stealing my car so I can't get to work is. So it's not stealing, we need a different word. copyright infringement doesn't roll off the tongue though. 盗版 "doh baan" is Cantonese for pirated software/media. The original isn't easy to type, but daoban is. Daoban might not ever enter western lexicon the same way tsunami or kowtow has, but stealing is just the wrong word to use.
  - mannanj 4mo ago
    Which words are you proposing work better for the scenarios in this article?
    - fragmede 4mo ago
      Daoban is the word I'm introducing from Cantonese.

sokoloff 4mo ago

> fetishize, herbicide and normalize I’m very curious what “herbicide” was an auto-complete for here…

Noumenon72 4mo ago
ChatGPT guesses "heroicize".
- mannanj 4mo ago
  yes that was it.