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Part of the reason might be Apple's Newsstand. "For a lot of people Newsstand is a place where apps go to be forgotten." http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/0

Part of the reason might be Apple's Newsstand. "For a lot of people Newsstand is a place where apps go to be forgotten." http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/06/25/flipboard-nyt http://daringfireball.net/linked/2012/06/25/flipboard-nyt

eddieroger 14y ago
I think Gruber is wrong here. Blaming the channel is silly, since if the Times' content was good enough, he'd go to it and move Newsstand back to the front page. I don't necessarily agree with Apple in locking all apps like this to Newsstand, but for the ones I want to read, I open it. Frankly, I like it. It makes sense to me to group all of those apps together, and if Apple didn't force me in to it, I'd have done it anyway. But that's just my perspective.
- glenra 14y ago
  I have a "News" folder on my front page with 10 items in it (including CNN and AP Mobile and Wall Street Journal and Zineo and a few bookreader apps...and then I have a "Newsstand" folder with ONE item in it, the New York Times app. I can't put the Newsstand or the New York Times app into the News folder, even though it's got a couple slots free. I can't take NYT out of the Newsstand even though it's a folder of one item. How is this helpful? What was wrong with the prior system, when NYT could be in my News folder with all the other news apps?
- digitalengineer 14y ago
  A bit more from Gruber (after some insights from marco from Instapaper). Gruber: " They never seemed to treat software engineering and design as a primary function of the publication. They were competing as much against Flipboard as they were The New York Times, but didn’t seem to realize it." Marco: "The Daily failed because what they chose to make, with its huge staffing costs, required far more than their 100,000 subscribers to be financially sustainable. And it didn’t attract more subscribers because what they chose to make was, itself, deeply flawed."

eddieroger 14y ago

I think Gruber is wrong here. Blaming the channel is silly, since if the Times' content was good enough, he'd go to it and move Newsstand back to the front page. I don't necessarily agree with Apple in locking all apps like this to Newsstand, but for the ones I want to read, I open it. Frankly, I like it. It makes sense to me to group all of those apps together, and if Apple didn't force me in to it, I'd have done it anyway. But that's just my perspective.

glenra 14y ago
I have a "News" folder on my front page with 10 items in it (including CNN and AP Mobile and Wall Street Journal and Zineo and a few bookreader apps...and then I have a "Newsstand" folder with ONE item in it, the New York Times app. I can't put the Newsstand or the New York Times app into the News folder, even though it's got a couple slots free. I can't take NYT out of the Newsstand even though it's a folder of one item. How is this helpful? What was wrong with the prior system, when NYT could be in my News folder with all the other news apps?
digitalengineer 14y ago
A bit more from Gruber (after some insights from marco from Instapaper). Gruber: " They never seemed to treat software engineering and design as a primary function of the publication. They were competing as much against Flipboard as they were The New York Times, but didn’t seem to realize it." Marco: "The Daily failed because what they chose to make, with its huge staffing costs, required far more than their 100,000 subscribers to be financially sustainable. And it didn’t attract more subscribers because what they chose to make was, itself, deeply flawed."