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How are India, Estonia and Latvia on the same rung as highly suppression-ist China? This is clearly facetious.

by spitx 14y ago

marquis 14y ago
It's about being technically feasible, not about having the political will. New Zealand is on there for example, I believe it has a single pipe therefore easily cut, but it would be highly surprising to see it happen by government cause (more likely an undersea accident). I thought Australia would be the same but I guess it has a lot more infrastructure going across the pacific and also north.
potatolicious 14y ago
The same India that has been charging people with crimes for voicing criticism of politicians on the internet?
- eshvk 14y ago
  I presume you are talking about the recent "facebook related arrests". Just so you know, not every country outside the U.S., is a single monolithic block where just because some asswipe cop(s) decides to hassle kids, it means that the entire country has decided as an official policy to hassle people on that charge. Some other examples of similar specious arguments: 1. Austria is bad because a tor exit operator got raided. 2. The MPAA/RIAA decides to sue a bunch of kids for music torrenting. Ergo America is bad. Also, presuming from the comment to the OP, I assume you are somehow leaping from "Charge people for criticism" to "unplug the internet": I would really love to hear your reasoning for this. (FYI, this is not a defense of the Indian justice system or me "taking offense" or even an attempt to assert that India is not at low risk of being disconnected: I personally give 0 fucks. I just find these specious arguments silly and have no idea why intelligent people make these arguments when it comes to foreign countries. )
  - potatolicious 14y ago
    And you've gotten my exact point. It may also surprise you how local China's suppression is. I'm well aware that India isn't one monolithic government (nor any other country) - I'm pointing out the exact point in OP. For example, the many human rights abuses related to enforcing the one-child policy - forced abortions, confiscation of property, etc. If you actually look at them you will realize that the bulk of it originates in local government. Much of China's most galling, shocking abuses come from the minds of local politicians, rather than by central dictat. The rampant nepotism and corruption in the Chinese government is largely an expression of just how little control its central authorities have over their localized branches. Moral comparisons between countries is usually ill-advised for this exact reason. This sort of baseless moral superiority bugs me - India is not nearly as far from China as OP seems to think it is, at least when it comes to online freedoms.
    - eshvk 14y ago
      > Moral comparisons between countries is usually ill-advised for this exact reason. This sort of baseless moral superiority bugs me - India is not nearly as far from China as OP seems to think it is, at least when it comes to online freedoms. Completely agreed on making moral comparisons. I have noticed this in a few threads involving developing countries where people emerge out of the woodwork to rant about either A) How everyone is victimizing aforesaid developing country and they should just stop. or B) Make a completely irrelevant argument about how the developing country in question making progress in X is irrelevant because of abuses or oppressions or whatever. Both of these are from opposing camps but are founded on bad logic.
- manojlds 14y ago
  India has a strong judiciary that such acts will not be left unquestioned by the court - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20551955 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20551955
jordan0day 14y ago
Not sure if you're taking offense on India, Estonia, or Latvia's behalf, or you believe that China is totally monolithic. Either way if you look at the legend, the color coding indicates that India, Estonia, Latvia, and China are at "low risk" to a "mad despot" being able to unplug the whole country. That indicates that each nation has quite a few connections to the outside world.
Simucal 14y ago
Did you read the article? This is about the resilience of the internet in these countries based on the number of connections they have to the outside world. This article wasn't about politics, it was about technical feasibility.

How are India, Estonia and Latvia on the same rung as highly suppression-ist China? This is clearly facetious.

by spitx 14y ago

How are India, Estonia and Latvia on the same rung as highly suppression-ist China? This is clearly facetious.

It's about being technically feasible, not about having the political will. New Zealand is on there for example, I believe it has a single pipe therefore easily cut, but it would be highly surprising to see it happen by government cause (more likely an undersea accident). I thought Australia would be the same but I guess it has a lot more infrastructure going across the pacific and also north.

potatolicious 14y ago

The same India that has been charging people with crimes for voicing criticism of politicians on the internet?

eshvk 14y ago
I presume you are talking about the recent "facebook related arrests". Just so you know, not every country outside the U.S., is a single monolithic block where just because some asswipe cop(s) decides to hassle kids, it means that the entire country has decided as an official policy to hassle people on that charge. Some other examples of similar specious arguments: 1. Austria is bad because a tor exit operator got raided. 2. The MPAA/RIAA decides to sue a bunch of kids for music torrenting. Ergo America is bad. Also, presuming from the comment to the OP, I assume you are somehow leaping from "Charge people for criticism" to "unplug the internet": I would really love to hear your reasoning for this. (FYI, this is not a defense of the Indian justice system or me "taking offense" or even an attempt to assert that India is not at low risk of being disconnected: I personally give 0 fucks. I just find these specious arguments silly and have no idea why intelligent people make these arguments when it comes to foreign countries. )
- potatolicious 14y ago
  And you've gotten my exact point. It may also surprise you how local China's suppression is. I'm well aware that India isn't one monolithic government (nor any other country) - I'm pointing out the exact point in OP. For example, the many human rights abuses related to enforcing the one-child policy - forced abortions, confiscation of property, etc. If you actually look at them you will realize that the bulk of it originates in local government. Much of China's most galling, shocking abuses come from the minds of local politicians, rather than by central dictat. The rampant nepotism and corruption in the Chinese government is largely an expression of just how little control its central authorities have over their localized branches. Moral comparisons between countries is usually ill-advised for this exact reason. This sort of baseless moral superiority bugs me - India is not nearly as far from China as OP seems to think it is, at least when it comes to online freedoms.
  - eshvk 14y ago
    > Moral comparisons between countries is usually ill-advised for this exact reason. This sort of baseless moral superiority bugs me - India is not nearly as far from China as OP seems to think it is, at least when it comes to online freedoms. Completely agreed on making moral comparisons. I have noticed this in a few threads involving developing countries where people emerge out of the woodwork to rant about either A) How everyone is victimizing aforesaid developing country and they should just stop. or B) Make a completely irrelevant argument about how the developing country in question making progress in X is irrelevant because of abuses or oppressions or whatever. Both of these are from opposing camps but are founded on bad logic.
manojlds 14y ago
India has a strong judiciary that such acts will not be left unquestioned by the court - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20551955 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-20551955

jordan0day 14y ago

Not sure if you're taking offense on India, Estonia, or Latvia's behalf, or you believe that China is totally monolithic. Either way if you look at the legend, the color coding indicates that India, Estonia, Latvia, and China are at "low risk" to a "mad despot" being able to unplug the whole country. That indicates that each nation has quite a few connections to the outside world.

Simucal 14y ago

Did you read the article? This is about the resilience of the internet in these countries based on the number of connections they have to the outside world. This article wasn't about politics, it was about technical feasibility.