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Anyone who values democracy is automatically an anti-fascist. Democracy is _inherently_ anti-fascist.

by rekabis 4mo ago

SpaceNugget 4mo ago
If there is a large group of people who use a term like "anti-fascist" as a tag line it no longer is a literal representation of the words. Just like how you wouldn't say that a guy rolling coal in a lifted pickup with a confederate flag and an AR mounted in the window who calls himself a "freedom fighter" is literally fighting for freedom. Otherwise you will just be talking past people who are interpreting it to mean something else. Which of course you are free to do if you don't think what you are trying to say has enough value to be worth avoiding the miscommunication.
like_any_other 4mo ago
These are the values of the original antifa that killed and died for democracy by the way: https://web.archive.org/web/20211222183606/https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/12/20/greatest-generation-survey-race-sex/ https://web.archive.org/web/20211222183606/https://www.washi...
- qwery 4mo ago
  Labelling (all?) American (Allied?) personnel as "antifa" or even "anti-fascist" is an interesting move. The article doesn't seem to demonstrate what you suggest it does nor does it seem particularly relevant in general. What are you trying to say?
  - like_any_other 4mo ago
    That, if we accept that logic, we must either say the Allies who fought in WWII didn't value democracy, or we must accept a definition of anti-fascist that is so broad, it easily includes people even many on the right would call Nazis.
da-x 4mo ago
Democracy also has a 'tyranny of the majority' vulnerability in which it can enforce policies onto minorities that could be just as harsh compared to policies imposed by autocracies. For example - Japanese American internment in WWII.
nisegami 4mo ago
A lot of people desire their own oppression, so I don't think democracy is inherently anti-fascist.
GaryBluto 4mo ago
I'd argue that most, if not all clandestine cells that call themselves themselves "Antifa" are as anti-Fascist as the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" were socialist.
kbelder 4mo ago
>Anyone who values democracy is automatically an anti-fascist. Sure. None of that has anything to do with Antifa. You can't claim popular support for thuggish behavior by claiming dibs on a name.
- rekabis 4mo ago
  And the fascists aren’t thuggish? I think you have your priorities backwards, bub. Rotting for fascism is rooting for evil, full stop, end of discussion.
  - kbelder 4mo ago
    Fascists are thuggish also. I didn't say anything in favor of them. More than one thing can be bad.
pasta67 4mo ago
Mussolini had majority vote in Democratic elections. Fascism can not rise without Democracy.

Anyone who values democracy is automatically an anti-fascist. Democracy is _inherently_ anti-fascist.

by rekabis 4mo ago

Anyone who values democracy is automatically an anti-fascist. Democracy is _inherently_ anti-fascist.

If there is a large group of people who use a term like "anti-fascist" as a tag line it no longer is a literal representation of the words. Just like how you wouldn't say that a guy rolling coal in a lifted pickup with a confederate flag and an AR mounted in the window who calls himself a "freedom fighter" is literally fighting for freedom. Otherwise you will just be talking past people who are interpreting it to mean something else. Which of course you are free to do if you don't think what you are trying to say has enough value to be worth avoiding the miscommunication.

like_any_other 4mo ago

These are the values of the original antifa that killed and died for democracy by the way: https://web.archive.org/web/20211222183606/https://www.washingtonpost.com/history/2021/12/20/greatest-generation-survey-race-sex/ https://web.archive.org/web/20211222183606/https://www.washi...

qwery 4mo ago
Labelling (all?) American (Allied?) personnel as "antifa" or even "anti-fascist" is an interesting move. The article doesn't seem to demonstrate what you suggest it does nor does it seem particularly relevant in general. What are you trying to say?
- like_any_other 4mo ago
  That, if we accept that logic, we must either say the Allies who fought in WWII didn't value democracy, or we must accept a definition of anti-fascist that is so broad, it easily includes people even many on the right would call Nazis.

da-x 4mo ago

Democracy also has a 'tyranny of the majority' vulnerability in which it can enforce policies onto minorities that could be just as harsh compared to policies imposed by autocracies. For example - Japanese American internment in WWII.

nisegami 4mo ago

A lot of people desire their own oppression, so I don't think democracy is inherently anti-fascist.

GaryBluto 4mo ago

I'd argue that most, if not all clandestine cells that call themselves themselves "Antifa" are as anti-Fascist as the "National Socialist German Workers' Party" were socialist.

kbelder 4mo ago

>Anyone who values democracy is automatically an anti-fascist. Sure. None of that has anything to do with Antifa. You can't claim popular support for thuggish behavior by claiming dibs on a name.

rekabis 4mo ago
And the fascists aren’t thuggish? I think you have your priorities backwards, bub. Rotting for fascism is rooting for evil, full stop, end of discussion.
- kbelder 4mo ago
  Fascists are thuggish also. I didn't say anything in favor of them. More than one thing can be bad.

pasta67 4mo ago

Mussolini had majority vote in Democratic elections. Fascism can not rise without Democracy.