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Northern Europe will actually get colder with global warming... Well, only on average, the heat waves in the summer will stay. But it's always funny how many p

by ffsm8 4mo ago

Northern Europe will actually get colder with global warming... Well, only on average, the heat waves in the summer will stay. But it's always funny how many people don't really realize how soon the AMOC will likely collapse (probably within the next 30 years - definitely within the next 70 years) and just unlivable most houses will consequently become, as what we currently consider an extreme winter would consequently become a mild one... The infrastructure just hasn't been built for -20°C

jjmarr 4mo ago
The Day After Tomorrow (2004) predicted this.
- ffsm8 4mo ago
  It's not a good movie though, the entertainment value may be debatable - but it did not give a realistic scenario to the AMOC collapse. It's only slightly related insofar an amoc collapse would make winters in Europe more severe (not in USA) - but it's only "inspired by" such a scenario and should not be seen as a plausible future prediction
hyperman1 4mo ago
One part of this is how hard it is to translate the impact to now-scientists. E.g. 2 degrees temperature raise did not sound bad to me, untill someone explained to me this is from ground to space, and the actual raise is double or triple that. Then we looked on a map and found current day Morocco seems close to what my Belgium is expected to become in that scenario. I still am not capable of deciding how realistic this is. So you made me surf to amocscenarios.org, and even if this thing is reliable, it still is hard to interprete. My winter goes from -5 every decade to -18. I've never had either in my life. What does this even mean? Can my ww2 rebuilt house deal with -5, as it supposedly already did? What to do forcdealing with -18? And that's the opinion of someone knowing a little bit. Now go to someone who has to managed 10 of life's disasters over his lifetime and explain how bad this really is.

by ffsm8 4mo ago

jjmarr 4mo ago

The Day After Tomorrow (2004) predicted this.

ffsm8 4mo ago
It's not a good movie though, the entertainment value may be debatable - but it did not give a realistic scenario to the AMOC collapse. It's only slightly related insofar an amoc collapse would make winters in Europe more severe (not in USA) - but it's only "inspired by" such a scenario and should not be seen as a plausible future prediction

hyperman1 4mo ago

One part of this is how hard it is to translate the impact to now-scientists. E.g. 2 degrees temperature raise did not sound bad to me, untill someone explained to me this is from ground to space, and the actual raise is double or triple that. Then we looked on a map and found current day Morocco seems close to what my Belgium is expected to become in that scenario. I still am not capable of deciding how realistic this is. So you made me surf to amocscenarios.org, and even if this thing is reliable, it still is hard to interprete. My winter goes from -5 every decade to -18. I've never had either in my life. What does this even mean? Can my ww2 rebuilt house deal with -5, as it supposedly already did? What to do forcdealing with -18? And that's the opinion of someone knowing a little bit. Now go to someone who has to managed 10 of life's disasters over his lifetime and explain how bad this really is.