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> Can you say with certainty that this workflow has increased productivity so much that you are seeing profit increases that you wouldn't have otherwise noticed

by ianm218 4mo ago

> Can you say with certainty that this workflow has increased productivity so much that you are seeing profit increases that you wouldn't have otherwise noticed just by hiring more people? Has the bar raised so much that coding agents need to be even better than any human could do? If the coding agent lets you get done with 1 person what would've required a team of three and you are not going crazy "token maxxing" spending thousands of dollars a week that would be beneficial for a business.

camillomiller 4mo ago
First of all, I don't accept a discussion where humans are placed on the same level as bots or agents. Even if the cost is the same, humans MUST be the choice. They have emotions, families, sons and daughters, they are a what makes society a society. And yet we've been already instructed and hypnotized by the Altmans and Musks and Bezos to only see it through the lens of profit and revenue. That said, is what you're suggesting even happening? Because certainly that is not what we're hearing from companies that fucked up their budgets with AI tools. Also, trillion dollars valuations are really justified by random solo-devs creating automatic companies of one that could be companies of four? Because what I hear from the AI-accelerationist is "this technology creates productivity gains for each and every company by enabling automation at scale that would make replacing human profitable". Where is THAT?
- ianm218 4mo ago
  > First of all, I don't accept a discussion where humans are placed on the same level as bots or agents. Even if the cost is the same, humans MUST be the choice Sure but getting more done with less is just how productivity gains work. If your talking about crushing an iOS backlog like the OP is it surely will not cost as much as a human to move along tons of bug fixes and accessibility changes etc. Here are some case studies on recent anecdotal producitivity gains from AI agents https://cursor.com/blog/amplitude https://cursor.com/blog/amplitude, https://devin.ai/customers/ramp https://devin.ai/customers/ramp, https://www.warmly.ai/p/blog/claude-code-best-practices https://www.warmly.ai/p/blog/claude-code-best-practices. The third one specifically says that a team of 8 "ships like a team of 24". > Also, trillion dollars valuations are really justified by random solo-devs creating automatic companies of one that could be companies of four? I feel like your greatly expanding the scope of this thread, I don't really know how to value these things.

by ianm218 4mo ago

camillomiller 4mo ago

First of all, I don't accept a discussion where humans are placed on the same level as bots or agents. Even if the cost is the same, humans MUST be the choice. They have emotions, families, sons and daughters, they are a what makes society a society. And yet we've been already instructed and hypnotized by the Altmans and Musks and Bezos to only see it through the lens of profit and revenue. That said, is what you're suggesting even happening? Because certainly that is not what we're hearing from companies that fucked up their budgets with AI tools. Also, trillion dollars valuations are really justified by random solo-devs creating automatic companies of one that could be companies of four? Because what I hear from the AI-accelerationist is "this technology creates productivity gains for each and every company by enabling automation at scale that would make replacing human profitable". Where is THAT?

ianm218 4mo ago
> First of all, I don't accept a discussion where humans are placed on the same level as bots or agents. Even if the cost is the same, humans MUST be the choice Sure but getting more done with less is just how productivity gains work. If your talking about crushing an iOS backlog like the OP is it surely will not cost as much as a human to move along tons of bug fixes and accessibility changes etc. Here are some case studies on recent anecdotal producitivity gains from AI agents https://cursor.com/blog/amplitude https://cursor.com/blog/amplitude, https://devin.ai/customers/ramp https://devin.ai/customers/ramp, https://www.warmly.ai/p/blog/claude-code-best-practices https://www.warmly.ai/p/blog/claude-code-best-practices. The third one specifically says that a team of 8 "ships like a team of 24". > Also, trillion dollars valuations are really justified by random solo-devs creating automatic companies of one that could be companies of four? I feel like your greatly expanding the scope of this thread, I don't really know how to value these things.