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You can probably buy some of the older rolling stock from DB thought.

bennofs 4mo ago
There is even a website just for that: https://www.db-gebrauchtzug.de/r/gbzp/gbzp/home?session=222825306192 https://www.db-gebrauchtzug.de/r/gbzp/gbzp/home?session=2228...
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ahartmetz 4mo ago
It does happen occasionally, but DB tends to run, maintain and sometimes upgrade its successful (~reliable and widely introduced) rolling stock until it falls apart or is grossly outdated (40+ years old). Rail passenger numbers are increasing, so there is no need to sell stuff to downsize. The Flixtrain company uses 40+ years old IC (intercity) cars - they have no air conditioning and it's really loud inside with open windows, especially so in tunnels. That is the kind of stuff that DB sells.
- LargoLasskhyfv 4mo ago
  Hrrm. Funny. I thought that those were so called "Eurofima", which I remember as fucking cold in summer, because then their AC were set at full blast, which was annoying at the times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofima_coach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofima_coach Also no real opening of windows anymore, because early onset of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druckertüchtigte_Schienenfahrzeuge https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druckertüchtigte_Schienenfahrz... <- meaning pressure protection against passing trains at high speeds, entering tunnels, and such.
  - ahartmetz 4mo ago
    They did look like Eurofima cars in the article, but my memory of that train ride is pretty clear - it was just a few months ago. I guess most likely the European Eurofima fleet is in very different states of upgrade from the 70s original. I have never been on an Eurofima car with air conditioning, let alone air conditioning turned up to 11. As far as I can tell, none of them have air conditioning in Germany.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 4mo ago
      Maybe they upgraded them without the AC, or they are based on slightly different wagons. Anyway, in the 80ies they had AC. In Germany, als die Bahn noch kam, regular IC, no matter if 4-, or 6-seat cabin(depending on class), or Großraumwagen. I remember because sometimes I've been naughty and dialed it down a little, after opening the panel at the end of the wagon with a multitool. Non-destructive, OFC :-) Like this, but without screen, and more buttons. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/13-04-29-intercity-32.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/13-04-29... I liked to sit on the window, and there was a metallic grille on the underside of the window. With small slits, maybe 2 to 3 cm long, 3mm wide, a few 100 at all? And that blasted right into your face, or your side if you sat upright, or leaned back. Not noisy, just cold. Different, probably later design, and apparently adjustable. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/13-04-29-intercity-38.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/13-04-29... In the Nahverkehrswagen (Silberlinge) it was different. They had no AC, just heating. Which you could turn down or fully off with an open lever. Nobody ever did that. Except me :-) At least their windows could be opened by pushing the upper half down. https://www.360cities.net/image/abnrz-silberling-nahverkehr-eilzug-wagen-2-klasse#104.60,2.38,25.8 https://www.360cities.net/image/abnrz-silberling-nahverkehr-...

There is even a website just for that: https://www.db-gebrauchtzug.de/r/gbzp/gbzp/home?session=222825306192 https://www.db-gebrauchtzug.de/r/gbzp/gbzp/home?session=2228...

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ahartmetz 4mo ago

It does happen occasionally, but DB tends to run, maintain and sometimes upgrade its successful (~reliable and widely introduced) rolling stock until it falls apart or is grossly outdated (40+ years old). Rail passenger numbers are increasing, so there is no need to sell stuff to downsize. The Flixtrain company uses 40+ years old IC (intercity) cars - they have no air conditioning and it's really loud inside with open windows, especially so in tunnels. That is the kind of stuff that DB sells.

LargoLasskhyfv 4mo ago
Hrrm. Funny. I thought that those were so called "Eurofima", which I remember as fucking cold in summer, because then their AC were set at full blast, which was annoying at the times. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofima_coach https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurofima_coach Also no real opening of windows anymore, because early onset of https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druckertüchtigte_Schienenfahrzeuge https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druckertüchtigte_Schienenfahrz... <- meaning pressure protection against passing trains at high speeds, entering tunnels, and such.
- ahartmetz 4mo ago
  They did look like Eurofima cars in the article, but my memory of that train ride is pretty clear - it was just a few months ago. I guess most likely the European Eurofima fleet is in very different states of upgrade from the 70s original. I have never been on an Eurofima car with air conditioning, let alone air conditioning turned up to 11. As far as I can tell, none of them have air conditioning in Germany.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 4mo ago
    Maybe they upgraded them without the AC, or they are based on slightly different wagons. Anyway, in the 80ies they had AC. In Germany, als die Bahn noch kam, regular IC, no matter if 4-, or 6-seat cabin(depending on class), or Großraumwagen. I remember because sometimes I've been naughty and dialed it down a little, after opening the panel at the end of the wagon with a multitool. Non-destructive, OFC :-) Like this, but without screen, and more buttons. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/13-04-29-intercity-32.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b0/13-04-29... I liked to sit on the window, and there was a metallic grille on the underside of the window. With small slits, maybe 2 to 3 cm long, 3mm wide, a few 100 at all? And that blasted right into your face, or your side if you sat upright, or leaned back. Not noisy, just cold. Different, probably later design, and apparently adjustable. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/13-04-29-intercity-38.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5c/13-04-29... In the Nahverkehrswagen (Silberlinge) it was different. They had no AC, just heating. Which you could turn down or fully off with an open lever. Nobody ever did that. Except me :-) At least their windows could be opened by pushing the upper half down. https://www.360cities.net/image/abnrz-silberling-nahverkehr-eilzug-wagen-2-klasse#104.60,2.38,25.8 https://www.360cities.net/image/abnrz-silberling-nahverkehr-...