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Those are definitely the down sides. As a manager who has had to let people go, no matter how deserved, it is a part of the job that I wish I didn't have to do

by jawns 4mo ago

Those are definitely the down sides. As a manager who has had to let people go, no matter how deserved, it is a part of the job that I wish I didn't have to do, and it does disturb my sleep and peace. But there are some very meaningful upsides as well, and the one that rises above all the rest is that I genuinely love working with teams and helping them grow. Based on your list of things you don't want to do, I would say that if you can enjoy the success and stability you wish to have while avoiding all of those things, then more power to you! But keep in mind that in most businesses, _somebody_ has to do those less desirable things, or the business isn't going to stay afloat.

hypfer 4mo ago
Genuine question: If it was actually deserved, why does it bother you?
- jawns 4mo ago
  Here's a concrete example. I hired somebody who was really impressive during the interview process, but then soon realized they just didn't have the right skills for the role. He wasn't a bad person. Had a family, and I knew it would be a big disruption for them to have to go through job searching again. Another case. A guy I managed caused a lot of friction with one particular co-worker, and it came to a head when he he stepped way over the line and veered into personal attacks on a call. Had to let him go, and I was angry with him at the time, but it still pained me to do it and was on my mind for quite some time.
  - smcg 4mo ago
    I agree those are two common scenarios where it would be painful. Those two people were not good fits for their roles, so hopefully they found something more appropriate.
smcg 4mo ago
I've seen people fired that produced 10x+ their salary in value. That certainly isn't desirable, nor is it necessary. In one case it was because a flailing upper manager was trying to find a scapegoat. I don't see ethical people get promoted to upper management. In fact, they seem to weed those people out on purpose.
- mingus88 4mo ago
  I think any position of power attracts those with dark triad personality traits The bigger the name of the company, the more attractive upper management is to these types of personalities. If your idea of a satisfying career is navigating the various disorders associated with narcissists, egomaniacs, delusional, Machiavellian, for the status that it affords, upper management might be for you. Mid to lower level management often just serves as the enforcement arm for this upper class. They make the “tough” decisions (which are not tough at all if you lack empathy), and force the managers under them to actually implement it (the real tough part) The managers who have no trouble doing it (because they share the same traits) are obviously the best suited for promotion. And so it continues

by jawns 4mo ago

hypfer 4mo ago

Genuine question: If it was actually deserved, why does it bother you?

jawns 4mo ago
Here's a concrete example. I hired somebody who was really impressive during the interview process, but then soon realized they just didn't have the right skills for the role. He wasn't a bad person. Had a family, and I knew it would be a big disruption for them to have to go through job searching again. Another case. A guy I managed caused a lot of friction with one particular co-worker, and it came to a head when he he stepped way over the line and veered into personal attacks on a call. Had to let him go, and I was angry with him at the time, but it still pained me to do it and was on my mind for quite some time.
- smcg 4mo ago
  I agree those are two common scenarios where it would be painful. Those two people were not good fits for their roles, so hopefully they found something more appropriate.

smcg 4mo ago

I've seen people fired that produced 10x+ their salary in value. That certainly isn't desirable, nor is it necessary. In one case it was because a flailing upper manager was trying to find a scapegoat. I don't see ethical people get promoted to upper management. In fact, they seem to weed those people out on purpose.

mingus88 4mo ago
I think any position of power attracts those with dark triad personality traits The bigger the name of the company, the more attractive upper management is to these types of personalities. If your idea of a satisfying career is navigating the various disorders associated with narcissists, egomaniacs, delusional, Machiavellian, for the status that it affords, upper management might be for you. Mid to lower level management often just serves as the enforcement arm for this upper class. They make the “tough” decisions (which are not tough at all if you lack empathy), and force the managers under them to actually implement it (the real tough part) The managers who have no trouble doing it (because they share the same traits) are obviously the best suited for promotion. And so it continues