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> The writing is on the wall. This thing is going to sell out. If prices go back to normal, v2 of this product will be great. This version, at these specs, at

by blitzar 4mo ago

> The writing is on the wall. This thing is going to sell out. If prices go back to normal, v2 of this product will be great. This version, at these specs, at this point in time would only be a buy if it was good value (like $500). People will buy them all anyway.

foo12bar 4mo ago
Selling out doesn't equate to success. They've already said the initial launch will be heavily limited. What matters is if they make a profit throughout the product's lifecycle. Not whether they sell out on initial release.
- esseph 4mo ago
  > What matters is if they make a profit throughout the product's lifecycle. That may not matter either. In fact, the most likely outcome is that they sell out of inventory, and the next iteration of the device gets GTA6 level hype. The scarcity of the premium product.
  - foo12bar 4mo ago
    It all depends on how well they support the current iteration, though. If it turns into a Google Glass or an Apple Vision Pro and is left nearly or actually abandoned, then I think people won't be so interested.
    - esseph 4mo ago
      This doesn't make any sense. They use the OS in multiple products. Tons of people run it on their own hardware. They could probably not update a single thing on there and it wouldn't matter, the games themselves are mostly running through an emulation layer anyway and will continue to work.
      - foo12bar 4mo ago
        So what are you saying? They can do this single limited release and then discontinue it and everyone is going to be happy about it? People will just flock to the next version when it comes out and not feel burned by what happened? Not many people run games on linux, only about 5%, amd of those nearly all keep a windows OS around to handle edge cases and upgrading firmware, etc. This is what the fight is about. If Steam can't get linux based devices into the hands of enough people continuing to support it will remain a money pit for them for as long as they try. Releasing the Steam box at this price is not helping their cause. They have to recover from this now.
        esseph 4mo ago
        You don't understand how Steam works, the culture around it, or why people are excited about this. > So what are you saying? They can do this single limited release and then discontinue it and everyone is going to be happy about it? They're selling a gaming console, of which in their case the hardware is the least important part and a means to an end. It is commodity hardware. No integrated memory. No special sauce. These are hardware drivers that are a part of the Linux kernel. What they are selling is a portal (grin) to their ecosystem, and an experience that is different from their competitors. One that unlike many of their competitors, doesn't require a monthly fee to be a part of (multiplayer). AND access to it is now scarce. A limited premium product. > Not many people run games on linux, only about 5% You're going to find a bunch of those on this website, myself included. No windows PC laying around though. I game on Fedora 44 w/ Steam. > Releasing the Steam box at this price is not helping their cause. They have to recover from this now. You just don't get it.
        foo12bar 4mo ago
        I think you're too cloae to take any criticism. Any result seems like it'd be a success to you.
        esseph 4mo ago
        Valve has been working toward this ecosystem for over a decade. This is a single product offering among a growing product line that provides access to their store. To be clear, their competitors are pretty pathetic. > I think you're too cloae to take any criticism I'm not even their target market, nor would I buy one when I can roll my own on my own hardware - even using SteamOS if I wanted. https://www.theverge.com/games/953411/valve-steamos-desktop-nvidia https://www.theverge.com/games/953411/valve-steamos-desktop-...
- bryanlarsen 4mo ago
  Steam Deck & Machine appear to be very low margin, so Valve will make very little profit on them whether they sell a lot or a little. So profit isn't the success measure they're aiming for. They're all just tools to get people to buy more games, which is where the margin is. And the existence of the Steam Machine makes the ecosystem more attractive even if you don't actually buy the Machine.
- blitzar 4mo ago
  > Selling out doesn't equate to success If you have no revenue, you can say you’re pre-revenue... It’s not about how much you earn. It’s about what you’re worth. And who’s worth most? Companies that lose money.
Npovview 4mo ago
Dave2D covered it very well. https://youtu.be/Huw11M9aaMk https://youtu.be/Huw11M9aaMk

by blitzar 4mo ago

foo12bar 4mo ago

Selling out doesn't equate to success. They've already said the initial launch will be heavily limited. What matters is if they make a profit throughout the product's lifecycle. Not whether they sell out on initial release.

esseph 4mo ago
> What matters is if they make a profit throughout the product's lifecycle. That may not matter either. In fact, the most likely outcome is that they sell out of inventory, and the next iteration of the device gets GTA6 level hype. The scarcity of the premium product.
- foo12bar 4mo ago
  It all depends on how well they support the current iteration, though. If it turns into a Google Glass or an Apple Vision Pro and is left nearly or actually abandoned, then I think people won't be so interested.
  - esseph 4mo ago
    This doesn't make any sense. They use the OS in multiple products. Tons of people run it on their own hardware. They could probably not update a single thing on there and it wouldn't matter, the games themselves are mostly running through an emulation layer anyway and will continue to work.
    - foo12bar 4mo ago
      So what are you saying? They can do this single limited release and then discontinue it and everyone is going to be happy about it? People will just flock to the next version when it comes out and not feel burned by what happened? Not many people run games on linux, only about 5%, amd of those nearly all keep a windows OS around to handle edge cases and upgrading firmware, etc. This is what the fight is about. If Steam can't get linux based devices into the hands of enough people continuing to support it will remain a money pit for them for as long as they try. Releasing the Steam box at this price is not helping their cause. They have to recover from this now.
      - esseph 4mo ago
        You don't understand how Steam works, the culture around it, or why people are excited about this. > So what are you saying? They can do this single limited release and then discontinue it and everyone is going to be happy about it? They're selling a gaming console, of which in their case the hardware is the least important part and a means to an end. It is commodity hardware. No integrated memory. No special sauce. These are hardware drivers that are a part of the Linux kernel. What they are selling is a portal (grin) to their ecosystem, and an experience that is different from their competitors. One that unlike many of their competitors, doesn't require a monthly fee to be a part of (multiplayer). AND access to it is now scarce. A limited premium product. > Not many people run games on linux, only about 5% You're going to find a bunch of those on this website, myself included. No windows PC laying around though. I game on Fedora 44 w/ Steam. > Releasing the Steam box at this price is not helping their cause. They have to recover from this now. You just don't get it.
        foo12bar 4mo ago
        I think you're too cloae to take any criticism. Any result seems like it'd be a success to you.
        esseph 4mo ago
        Valve has been working toward this ecosystem for over a decade. This is a single product offering among a growing product line that provides access to their store. To be clear, their competitors are pretty pathetic. > I think you're too cloae to take any criticism I'm not even their target market, nor would I buy one when I can roll my own on my own hardware - even using SteamOS if I wanted. https://www.theverge.com/games/953411/valve-steamos-desktop-nvidia https://www.theverge.com/games/953411/valve-steamos-desktop-...
bryanlarsen 4mo ago
Steam Deck & Machine appear to be very low margin, so Valve will make very little profit on them whether they sell a lot or a little. So profit isn't the success measure they're aiming for. They're all just tools to get people to buy more games, which is where the margin is. And the existence of the Steam Machine makes the ecosystem more attractive even if you don't actually buy the Machine.
blitzar 4mo ago
> Selling out doesn't equate to success If you have no revenue, you can say you’re pre-revenue... It’s not about how much you earn. It’s about what you’re worth. And who’s worth most? Companies that lose money.

Npovview 4mo ago

Dave2D covered it very well. https://youtu.be/Huw11M9aaMk https://youtu.be/Huw11M9aaMk