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At the same time avoidance systems have become much better on those large new cars… so would it have even worse had collision avoidance not come into being? Al

by mc32 4mo ago

At the same time avoidance systems have become much better on those large new cars… so would it have even worse had collision avoidance not come into being? Also interesting that often people tend to imagine F-150s, Silverados ,etc., but if you see what people drive they are large Bentzs, Toyotas and of course Suburbans and F-150s. But everyone is building them not just American manufacturers.

estebank 4mo ago
> But everyone is building them not just American manufacturers But for, and driven by, the American market. I would hazard a guess that Silverados sold outside of US, Canada, Mexico and Australia can fit in a single parking lot.
- mc32 4mo ago
  The homemarket websites for Mecedes (Geländewagen), BMW (X series), LandRover (defender), Toyota (LandCruiser, Lexus LX), etc. have the large SUVs for sale. They are not as popular as they are in the US but they are available.
  - alamortsubite 4mo ago
    "Not as popular" or "nowhere near as popular?" Also, our absurd pickups effectively don't exist in those markets. Occasionally you'll see one and it stands out like a sore thumb.
    - mc32 4mo ago
      Parent suggested or intimated that their sole market was the USA.
      - alamortsubite 4mo ago
        Maybe I misinterpreted, but I think they meant that if the American market didn't exist, neither would most of those models.
threetonesun 4mo ago
Avoidance systems aren't that much better, some just make an angry beep before plowing into something. Also you can't fix the fact that a heavier car is going to take longer to stop and will impart more force even at lower speeds.
sottol 4mo ago
Hard to find reliable data, but could only find (shared) data for 2022 for large SUVs - whatabout doesn't quite cut it imo, feel free to look into midsize SUVs but imo the really large ones are more problematic: Ford Expedetion: 81,988 in 2021, 71,648 in 2022 Mercedes GLS: 24,482 in 2021, 12,395 in 2022 Chevy Tahoe: 106,030 2021, 109,032 2022 Chevy Suburban: 48,214 2021, 52,459 2022 Dodge Durango: 65,935 2021, 58,627 2022 GMC Yukon: 84,242 2021, 80,731 2022 Nissan Armada: 22,814 2021, 17,551 2022 Toyota Sequoia: 8,070 2021, 7,066 2022 (but about 25,000 after refresh in 2023) * Ford F-150 [2] *: 726,004 2021, 683,633 in 2022. The Large SUVs are all linked here: https://carfigures.com/us-market-segment/large-suvs https://carfigures.com/us-market-segment/large-suvs I'm sure the mix is different and skews a lot more Japanese for mid-size (which are probably also dangerous), but these large SUVs and trucks with huge hoods and no rear visibility are getting quite problematic [1]. The front blind zones are pretty ridiculous, to the point that people advocate for front cameras: https://youtu.be/NDH3FDfVQl0?si=o0uvSEmKZrn2gHSN&t=205 https://youtu.be/NDH3FDfVQl0?si=o0uvSEmKZrn2gHSN&t=205 (with timestamp). [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/americas-cars-trucks-are-getting-bigger-are-front-blind-zones-children-rcna52109 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/americas-cars-trucks-ar... [2] https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/ford/f-series https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/ford/f-series

by mc32 4mo ago

estebank 4mo ago

> But everyone is building them not just American manufacturers But for, and driven by, the American market. I would hazard a guess that Silverados sold outside of US, Canada, Mexico and Australia can fit in a single parking lot.

mc32 4mo ago
The homemarket websites for Mecedes (Geländewagen), BMW (X series), LandRover (defender), Toyota (LandCruiser, Lexus LX), etc. have the large SUVs for sale. They are not as popular as they are in the US but they are available.
- alamortsubite 4mo ago
  "Not as popular" or "nowhere near as popular?" Also, our absurd pickups effectively don't exist in those markets. Occasionally you'll see one and it stands out like a sore thumb.
  - mc32 4mo ago
    Parent suggested or intimated that their sole market was the USA.
    - alamortsubite 4mo ago
      Maybe I misinterpreted, but I think they meant that if the American market didn't exist, neither would most of those models.

threetonesun 4mo ago

Avoidance systems aren't that much better, some just make an angry beep before plowing into something. Also you can't fix the fact that a heavier car is going to take longer to stop and will impart more force even at lower speeds.

sottol 4mo ago

Hard to find reliable data, but could only find (shared) data for 2022 for large SUVs - whatabout doesn't quite cut it imo, feel free to look into midsize SUVs but imo the really large ones are more problematic: Ford Expedetion: 81,988 in 2021, 71,648 in 2022 Mercedes GLS: 24,482 in 2021, 12,395 in 2022 Chevy Tahoe: 106,030 2021, 109,032 2022 Chevy Suburban: 48,214 2021, 52,459 2022 Dodge Durango: 65,935 2021, 58,627 2022 GMC Yukon: 84,242 2021, 80,731 2022 Nissan Armada: 22,814 2021, 17,551 2022 Toyota Sequoia: 8,070 2021, 7,066 2022 (but about 25,000 after refresh in 2023) * Ford F-150 [2] *: 726,004 2021, 683,633 in 2022. The Large SUVs are all linked here: https://carfigures.com/us-market-segment/large-suvs https://carfigures.com/us-market-segment/large-suvs I'm sure the mix is different and skews a lot more Japanese for mid-size (which are probably also dangerous), but these large SUVs and trucks with huge hoods and no rear visibility are getting quite problematic [1]. The front blind zones are pretty ridiculous, to the point that people advocate for front cameras: https://youtu.be/NDH3FDfVQl0?si=o0uvSEmKZrn2gHSN&t=205 https://youtu.be/NDH3FDfVQl0?si=o0uvSEmKZrn2gHSN&t=205 (with timestamp). [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/americas-cars-trucks-are-getting-bigger-are-front-blind-zones-children-rcna52109 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/americas-cars-trucks-ar... [2] https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/ford/f-series https://carfigures.com/us-market-brand/ford/f-series