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200 is much less than the value you’re supposed to get out of it. If it’s not then yeah go ahead and use cheaper models with worst quality
by ttoinou 4mo ago
200 is much less than the value you’re supposed to get out of it. If it’s not then yeah go ahead and use cheaper models with worst quality
- margalabargala 4mo agoLast time you bought a computer, did you buy the absolute fastest best CPU available?
- girvo 4mo agoYes, but that was because I could see the writing on the wall with respect to hardware prices being cooked by AI demand, so I built the best computer possible at the time knowing it'd probably need to last me the next 5+ years So not really comparable. I use Step 3.7 Flash locally, models are good enough for so many coding tasks even at the lower end! (Though I note that calling a 200B model "lower end" is kind of amusing)
- Dayshine 4mo agoI'm not sure how I'm supposed to get $200 of value out of personal use!
- LPisGood 4mo agoNote that 200 dollars of value is different than 200 dollars of profit.
- devmor 4mo agoI personally don’t find it that useful for most tasks, but if say, you get paid $50/hr for your work and it saves you more than 4 hours of work in a month, there you go.
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- selcuka 4mo agoObviously this assumes that you can find 4+ extra hours of $50/hr work every month, or you can work 4 hours less. Neither of these assumptions is correct for people who work for a fixed salary.
- devmor 4mo agoThat doesn’t change value. It’s value whether or not you can maintain a profit over it.
- selcuka 4mo agoThat's the definition of "value" in a broad, economics sense but I don't think it applies to the parent comment of this thread: > I'm not sure how I'm supposed to get $200 of value out of personal use!
- devmor 4mo agoIf you are not working paycheck to paycheck, but still need to commit that time to work, you may prefer $200 worth of free time that you otherwise could not have - that is my general point of view there.
- windexh8er 4mo agoI think this is the rub the enterprise will be forced to grapple with. Not everyone is going to get $200 worth of value for the organization. In fact since it's not a restricted tool some will waste time and company resources using it. Undoubtedly some will get the value out of it, but it's very likely, that these are the same people providing more than what they're paid already. Nothing has changed other than, potentially, time savings and (hopefully) output improvement. Neither of those are any sort of guarantee though, either. Subjective systems are hard to show value, especially in the long term.
- holoduke 4mo agoHere most of my colleagues have +200 dollar rates. It's really a no brainer. But sure, in south America or some Asian countries maybe it is. But still most devs need it anyway. Also in the poor regions.
- HDBaseT 4mo ago$200/h is on the extreme end and I would argue most people here aren't anywhere close to that. The median hourly wage in the US is $28/h, this equates to nearly 7.5 hours. A full day of work a month for the average person to use Claude with reasonable limits. Yes, the people on $28/h may not be the software development types, so their income might not be as high, but these are the people who would probably be vibe coding the most since they aren't day to day programmers!
- ray_kay777 4mo agoI suspect the reply above is referring to charge out rates rather than wages.
- HDBaseT 4mo agoMy fault, thanks for the correction (:
- folkrav 4mo agoMost of the world's developers, even in not-poor regions, make significantly less than what your colleagues charge.
- Kuxe 4mo agoIn Sweden $200 is ~5% of average programmer monthly income after tax. $200/h rate is not a representative salary for SEs in South America, Asian countries nor Europe. If you're running a business I agree it's a no-brainer, but the context here is for personal projects.
- holoduke 4mo ago
- martinjc 4mo agoAre you aware of how much purchasing power 200 dollars is in china, brazil, thailand or india is? This is an extremely arrogant take.
- nwienert 4mo agoI’ve hired many asian developers anywhere from 1-4k a month. I get a lot more out of a 200/mo subscription now in a week than I did from them in a month. Now obviously in today’s world they’d be using a 200/mo subscription themselves. But it’s not like money is nothing, software development doesn’t scale down below 1k/mo for anyone competent even in the poorest areas.
- matheusmoreira 4mo agoFor the record, 200 USD is around 60% of the brazilian minimum wage.
- ttoinou 4mo agoHow about brazilian median software developer wage ?
- matheusmoreira 4mo agoAccording to Glassdoor statistics, brazilian developers make between 600-1600 USD per month on average. Seniors might rise above 2000 USD. So a 200 USD subscription falls between 10% and 33% of an average brazilian developer's salary.
- uberex 4mo agoUnless that value is $200 cash in hand it will be hard to afford it for people who just don't have $200.
- smrtinsert 4mo agoI've actually come to believe the overwhelming majority of use cases require nowhere frontier quality so there's that. Much faster execution is just a bonus on top of the much reduced cost