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Unfortunately Europeans are terrible customers for making money. They ask a lot of questions and they're very stingy with their wallets. Americans on the other

Unfortunately Europeans are terrible customers for making money. They ask a lot of questions and they're very stingy with their wallets. Americans on the other hand ...

touwer 4mo ago
You're american?
- megous 4mo ago
  He's a prince of whales.
  - qingcharles 4mo ago
    If he's a prince of whales, then I'm the king of eel-gland.
throwa356262 4mo ago
Oh come on! Mistral has a successful business model and is actually making money. Not sure opening and anthropic are doing that yet.
- port11 4mo ago
  > Anthropic generated $4.8 billion in sales in the first quarter. Its quarterly revenue is now growing faster than Zoom did during the pandemic, and Google and Facebook in the run-up to their initial public offerings. It is set to turn an operating profit of $559 million in the June quarter.
neuronic 4mo ago
This is absolutely not why there are no leading AI, other important silicon tech, or relevant space companies in Europe. To some degree they exist but are all B-Tier in comparison to US/China. You'd be surprised just how lose money can sit in Europe, I guess. Just not the way it needs to be for this. The financial structure of the EU is nowhere close to enabling these capital devouring endeavors based on lofty future bets. Operating at a loss for years and years is simply unacceptable in European markets and the EU is not authoritarian enough to randomly divert capital based on political orders like China because the EU doesn't try to be a superpower controlling a hemisphere.
- joe_mamba 4mo ago
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- clickety_clack 4mo ago
  I think “Just not the way it needs to be for this.” is exactly the point.
- port11 4mo ago
  Have you raised venture capital? I have. It’s fine. You don’t get US-level (or even Israel/China/Singapore) seeds, but often you get a matching public investment. Germany has better matching funds, but we did alright in Belgium, and previously Portugal. Let’s stop pretending the EU can ‘fix’ this. It’s cultural, we’re simply not risk takers (on average) because a “normal” job comes with great benefits. Most of us don’t struggle to survive and have to “pull ourselves by the bootstraps”. The social security safety net protects you. That’s all fine. We’re fine. No, we won’t lead on AI productisation, but we have AMAZING fundamental research going on at unis. I hired 2 such people in PhD+job setups, that part is also working fine. Chill.
  - rjzzleep 4mo ago
    Funny you should bring up Germany, since it's an a place where a monopoly class of Notary's gets to suck you dry every time you add a new investor to your business in a reading session where the only value he brings to the table is to read the whole thing for you.
    - port11 4mo ago
      Same as elsewhere. The notary fees in Belgium are why we deferred changing the cap table every time it needed doing, ultimately making some of the partners… not have any actual shares because it was too late. Notaries are like this everywhere, AFAIK.
- fmajid 4mo ago
  ASML is based in Amsterdam, and DeepMind in London.
torginus 4mo ago
> Americans on the other hand ... Have realized most people are idiots and are willing to give away their and resources for a piece of paper if it has George Washington's face on it. So they've kept putting it on every piece of paper they could find. Serious people keep pointing out that this is unsustainable, and will lead to the collapse of American society in weeks/months/years, but they've been saying that for decades and so far that hasn't happened yet.

Unfortunately Europeans are terrible customers for making money. They ask a lot of questions and they're very stingy with their wallets. Americans on the other hand ...

touwer 4mo ago

You're american?

megous 4mo ago
He's a prince of whales.
- qingcharles 4mo ago
  If he's a prince of whales, then I'm the king of eel-gland.

throwa356262 4mo ago

Oh come on! Mistral has a successful business model and is actually making money. Not sure opening and anthropic are doing that yet.

port11 4mo ago
> Anthropic generated $4.8 billion in sales in the first quarter. Its quarterly revenue is now growing faster than Zoom did during the pandemic, and Google and Facebook in the run-up to their initial public offerings. It is set to turn an operating profit of $559 million in the June quarter.

neuronic 4mo ago

This is absolutely not why there are no leading AI, other important silicon tech, or relevant space companies in Europe. To some degree they exist but are all B-Tier in comparison to US/China. You'd be surprised just how lose money can sit in Europe, I guess. Just not the way it needs to be for this. The financial structure of the EU is nowhere close to enabling these capital devouring endeavors based on lofty future bets. Operating at a loss for years and years is simply unacceptable in European markets and the EU is not authoritarian enough to randomly divert capital based on political orders like China because the EU doesn't try to be a superpower controlling a hemisphere.

joe_mamba 4mo ago
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clickety_clack 4mo ago
I think “Just not the way it needs to be for this.” is exactly the point.
port11 4mo ago
Have you raised venture capital? I have. It’s fine. You don’t get US-level (or even Israel/China/Singapore) seeds, but often you get a matching public investment. Germany has better matching funds, but we did alright in Belgium, and previously Portugal. Let’s stop pretending the EU can ‘fix’ this. It’s cultural, we’re simply not risk takers (on average) because a “normal” job comes with great benefits. Most of us don’t struggle to survive and have to “pull ourselves by the bootstraps”. The social security safety net protects you. That’s all fine. We’re fine. No, we won’t lead on AI productisation, but we have AMAZING fundamental research going on at unis. I hired 2 such people in PhD+job setups, that part is also working fine. Chill.
- rjzzleep 4mo ago
  Funny you should bring up Germany, since it's an a place where a monopoly class of Notary's gets to suck you dry every time you add a new investor to your business in a reading session where the only value he brings to the table is to read the whole thing for you.
  - port11 4mo ago
    Same as elsewhere. The notary fees in Belgium are why we deferred changing the cap table every time it needed doing, ultimately making some of the partners… not have any actual shares because it was too late. Notaries are like this everywhere, AFAIK.
fmajid 4mo ago
ASML is based in Amsterdam, and DeepMind in London.

torginus 4mo ago

> Americans on the other hand ... Have realized most people are idiots and are willing to give away their and resources for a piece of paper if it has George Washington's face on it. So they've kept putting it on every piece of paper they could find. Serious people keep pointing out that this is unsustainable, and will lead to the collapse of American society in weeks/months/years, but they've been saying that for decades and so far that hasn't happened yet.