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So now I have to have a mobile phone?

by ninalanyon 4mo ago

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pluralmonad 4mo ago
And one you don't fully own/control. Fully owned devices will be unsupported, obviously.
- petemill 4mo ago
  Sounds like what a government issued card should be used for, which seems fine
intrasight 4mo ago
Identity wallets can be made to work anywhere.
rustyminnow 4mo ago
Could probably be implemented by a smartcard or yubikey-like device as well. Shoot, just build it into my state issued ID card.
- baby_souffle 4mo ago
  Do you know how hard it was to get RealID rolled out? And now you're going to tell every state to do it again, but this time it's got a chip in it so "just trust the government, man". This will go well.
  - ibejoeb 4mo ago
    It will go fine, because everything you want to do will require it. Even if you don't strictly have to, you will be effectively ostracized. Transit, entertainment, productivity tools. Haven't you noticed that things that have previously been easy to do are much harder now, even before this has rolled out? Like providing a government ID to visit a museum, for example. Or getting an email address. Using claude.
  - rustyminnow 4mo ago
    They've had some practice now, so next time will go better. RealID is completely optional anyways. Just like organ donation and using the internet.
sonic45132 4mo ago
I feel the idea of public key encryption could be done without a phone but the device locking makes it harder to transfer the token off device. Like the parent comment said, I think 90% is all we can aim for. Nothing is going to be perfect.
maccard 4mo ago
Secure Enclave on a mobile phone, or an NFC smart card both work fine. It could be your passport, drivers license, national ID, whatever.
izacus 4mo ago
You can have an ID card. Just like for buying alcohol and cigarettes.
seb1204 4mo ago
Yes. Cover 90% of cases. Maybe browser and RFID reader for passport is also possible.
subscribed 4mo ago
What do you think is the trade off? You need mobile phone anyway.
- ninalanyon 4mo ago
  Do I? And if so why?

So now I have to have a mobile phone?

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pluralmonad 4mo ago

And one you don't fully own/control. Fully owned devices will be unsupported, obviously.

petemill 4mo ago
Sounds like what a government issued card should be used for, which seems fine

intrasight 4mo ago

Identity wallets can be made to work anywhere.

rustyminnow 4mo ago

Could probably be implemented by a smartcard or yubikey-like device as well. Shoot, just build it into my state issued ID card.

baby_souffle 4mo ago
Do you know how hard it was to get RealID rolled out? And now you're going to tell every state to do it again, but this time it's got a chip in it so "just trust the government, man". This will go well.
- ibejoeb 4mo ago
  It will go fine, because everything you want to do will require it. Even if you don't strictly have to, you will be effectively ostracized. Transit, entertainment, productivity tools. Haven't you noticed that things that have previously been easy to do are much harder now, even before this has rolled out? Like providing a government ID to visit a museum, for example. Or getting an email address. Using claude.
- rustyminnow 4mo ago
  They've had some practice now, so next time will go better. RealID is completely optional anyways. Just like organ donation and using the internet.

sonic45132 4mo ago

I feel the idea of public key encryption could be done without a phone but the device locking makes it harder to transfer the token off device. Like the parent comment said, I think 90% is all we can aim for. Nothing is going to be perfect.

maccard 4mo ago

Secure Enclave on a mobile phone, or an NFC smart card both work fine. It could be your passport, drivers license, national ID, whatever.

izacus 4mo ago

You can have an ID card. Just like for buying alcohol and cigarettes.

seb1204 4mo ago

Yes. Cover 90% of cases. Maybe browser and RFID reader for passport is also possible.

subscribed 4mo ago

What do you think is the trade off? You need mobile phone anyway.

ninalanyon 4mo ago
Do I? And if so why?