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Well they pissed off half the users with amazon so I'm not that sure it's true. Is that really true? Sure - it annoyed a heck of a lot of folk in the Hn commun

Well they pissed off half the users with amazon so I'm not that sure it's true. Is that really true? Sure - it annoyed a heck of a lot of folk in the Hn community - and similar tech-focused arenas. Non techie folk I've seen using 12.10 either a) Don't notice, b) don't care or c) like it.

shrikant 14y ago
Or a significant portion of the annoyed techie folk did a sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping and moved on with their lives...
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  Wait, you mean it's easier to remove a package than knee-jerk leave distros? Sometimes I wonder if the /r/linux-types realize that they're no better than the kids in the Halo forums screaming that they and their friends are going to quit if someone doesn't fix their issue.
  - aaronbrethorst 14y ago
    13 year old Halo players eventually grow up to be 21 year old Ubuntu users. ;) As for me, I'm a 30 year old Ubuntu user (on the server) who finished the Halo 4 campaign yesterday.
    - meaty 14y ago
      And indeed in my case grow up to be 40 year old Debian users when they get fed up with Canonical's dubious decision making.
  - jiggy2011 14y ago
    The Amazon thing set a bad precedent. One of the reasons people like Linux is because it doesn't come bundled with that sort of crap in the same way Windows PCs and Android phones often do.
    - adrianhoward 14y ago
      The difference is that - for a chunk of people - this functionality isn't crap. It's actually useful. It's out of the way for people who don't care. It's there for people who do. I've seen folk go "that's so cool" when the amazon stuff came up. This stuff is much closer to the adds folk get in Google search. It's often relevant to what they're doing at the time.
      - jiggy2011 14y ago
        Don't really agree, at least not based on my experience with it. The key difference being, with google I am specifically searching the "world wide web" and may type something that suggests an interest in making a purchase. Companies can bid against each other to decide the value of these searches. When using unity dash, I am basically searching for programs that are installed on my computer. Or occasionally for a file. Doing a primitive text match against "thunderbird" with an online catalog is unlikely to help. Once you are in this mindset you start to think "why should amazon get special treatment?" and you say "hey, we should search ebay too and what about netflix and pornhub?" and suddenly you have an entire screen full of crap and are leaking information everywhere.
        adrianhoward 14y ago
        Don't really agree, at least not based on my experience with it. This is why I sad "a chunk of people" not "everybody". I don't like it either. If and when 12.10 works on my laptop I'll kill it straight away. My partner, however, likes it. She's often searching for book refs and amazon stuff. This makes her life easier and better. Just because a group of people don't like something doesn't necessarily make it a bad UX. The mantra of everybody in the UX profession is that "you are not the user". My likes and dislikes do not matter if I am not the target market. Does it matter if N techies hate something if N x 100 in some other larger group love it to bits? Once you are in this mindset you start to think "why should amazon get special treatment?" and you say "hey, we should search ebay too and what about netflix and pornhub?" and suddenly you have an entire screen full of crap and are leaking information everywhere. If and when that does happen - that'll be bad. Hasn't happened so far with Google. I don't see the Ubuntu folk being dumb enough to make that happen on their platform.

shrikant 14y ago

Or a significant portion of the annoyed techie folk did a sudo apt-get remove unity-lens-shopping and moved on with their lives...

drivebyacct2 14y ago
Wait, you mean it's easier to remove a package than knee-jerk leave distros? Sometimes I wonder if the /r/linux-types realize that they're no better than the kids in the Halo forums screaming that they and their friends are going to quit if someone doesn't fix their issue.
- aaronbrethorst 14y ago
  13 year old Halo players eventually grow up to be 21 year old Ubuntu users. ;) As for me, I'm a 30 year old Ubuntu user (on the server) who finished the Halo 4 campaign yesterday.
  - meaty 14y ago
    And indeed in my case grow up to be 40 year old Debian users when they get fed up with Canonical's dubious decision making.
- jiggy2011 14y ago
  The Amazon thing set a bad precedent. One of the reasons people like Linux is because it doesn't come bundled with that sort of crap in the same way Windows PCs and Android phones often do.
  - adrianhoward 14y ago
    The difference is that - for a chunk of people - this functionality isn't crap. It's actually useful. It's out of the way for people who don't care. It's there for people who do. I've seen folk go "that's so cool" when the amazon stuff came up. This stuff is much closer to the adds folk get in Google search. It's often relevant to what they're doing at the time.
    - jiggy2011 14y ago
      Don't really agree, at least not based on my experience with it. The key difference being, with google I am specifically searching the "world wide web" and may type something that suggests an interest in making a purchase. Companies can bid against each other to decide the value of these searches. When using unity dash, I am basically searching for programs that are installed on my computer. Or occasionally for a file. Doing a primitive text match against "thunderbird" with an online catalog is unlikely to help. Once you are in this mindset you start to think "why should amazon get special treatment?" and you say "hey, we should search ebay too and what about netflix and pornhub?" and suddenly you have an entire screen full of crap and are leaking information everywhere.
      - adrianhoward 14y ago
        Don't really agree, at least not based on my experience with it. This is why I sad "a chunk of people" not "everybody". I don't like it either. If and when 12.10 works on my laptop I'll kill it straight away. My partner, however, likes it. She's often searching for book refs and amazon stuff. This makes her life easier and better. Just because a group of people don't like something doesn't necessarily make it a bad UX. The mantra of everybody in the UX profession is that "you are not the user". My likes and dislikes do not matter if I am not the target market. Does it matter if N techies hate something if N x 100 in some other larger group love it to bits? Once you are in this mindset you start to think "why should amazon get special treatment?" and you say "hey, we should search ebay too and what about netflix and pornhub?" and suddenly you have an entire screen full of crap and are leaking information everywhere. If and when that does happen - that'll be bad. Hasn't happened so far with Google. I don't see the Ubuntu folk being dumb enough to make that happen on their platform.