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An interesting procedural detail is how an admin decided to just close the discussion and ban the user before the mandatory discussion period was over, and got

An interesting procedural detail is how an admin decided to just close the discussion and ban the user before the mandatory discussion period was over, and got a lot of pushback for the sloppy decision making process. This was overturned, only for another admin to reach the same conclusion seven hours later, after the discussion was online for the mandatory 72 hours (with no consideration for the two hours between the wrongful decision and the reversal) https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Incidents/Possible_off-wiki_canvassing_by_User:Larry_Sanger&oldid=1360671935#Update https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Adminis...

Aurornis 4mo ago
Having a labyrinth of rules to follow and then applying them asymmetrically is a classic way to build power for the ingroup and exile outsiders. The ingroup knows the rules well enough that they can wait until an enemy crosses one of the rules, then they have an excuse to punish them. The more rules on the books, the more opportunities to use them against your enemies. When someone inside breaks the rules, it’s treated as a misstep, handled internally, and then forgiven after a short ceremony to make it look like order and procedure are still being maintained.
- moralestapia 4mo ago
  This. At clubs. At school. At work. This is one of the first things I taught my kids to recognize and yet I see plenty of people in their 40s or more that still haven't figured it out. Some of them even become "useful fools" and make matters worse.
- greyface- 4mo ago
  Wikipedians refer to such ingroup members as The Unblockables. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unblockables https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unblockables
- sixothree 4mo ago
  You can build your own wikipedia.
  - lambdaone 4mo ago
    Sanger did, indeed, create his own Wikipedia alternative.[0] It failed to catch on, and is currently maintaned and almost exclusively edited by just one person. [0] https://www.citizendium.org/ https://www.citizendium.org/
- throwawaypath 4mo ago
  >Having a labyrinth of rules to follow and then applying them asymmetrically is a classic way to build power for the ingroup and exile outsiders. This is why Codes of Conducts became so popular.

Aurornis 4mo ago

Having a labyrinth of rules to follow and then applying them asymmetrically is a classic way to build power for the ingroup and exile outsiders. The ingroup knows the rules well enough that they can wait until an enemy crosses one of the rules, then they have an excuse to punish them. The more rules on the books, the more opportunities to use them against your enemies. When someone inside breaks the rules, it’s treated as a misstep, handled internally, and then forgiven after a short ceremony to make it look like order and procedure are still being maintained.

moralestapia 4mo ago
This. At clubs. At school. At work. This is one of the first things I taught my kids to recognize and yet I see plenty of people in their 40s or more that still haven't figured it out. Some of them even become "useful fools" and make matters worse.
greyface- 4mo ago
Wikipedians refer to such ingroup members as The Unblockables. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unblockables https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Unblockables
sixothree 4mo ago
You can build your own wikipedia.
- lambdaone 4mo ago
  Sanger did, indeed, create his own Wikipedia alternative.[0] It failed to catch on, and is currently maintaned and almost exclusively edited by just one person. [0] https://www.citizendium.org/ https://www.citizendium.org/
throwawaypath 4mo ago
>Having a labyrinth of rules to follow and then applying them asymmetrically is a classic way to build power for the ingroup and exile outsiders. This is why Codes of Conducts became so popular.