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Where do you collect your facts? I'm not even sure if you don't have bad intentions with your comment. It would be nice from your side to state your relation to

by daliusd 14y ago

Where do you collect your facts? I'm not even sure if you don't have bad intentions with your comment. It would be nice from your side to state your relation to Jolla (e.g. competitor) 1. Headline was written by journalist not by Jolla. OK I got it wrong. You are negative to journalist, right? 2. You are most probably right about production but you simply don't know. You are wrong about carrier partners: they have one in Finland (http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/11/21/jolla-signs-first-carrier-deal-with-finlands-dna-to-carry-upcoming-sailfish-powered-phones/ http://thenextweb.com/mobile/2012/11/21/jolla-signs-first-ca...) and one in China. 2. Europeans can get subsidized phones but don't have to. You can use any phone if you manage to get one. I even used one phone that is not for production just fine (N950). 3. I doubt that lock is an issue here. You basically can reflash your phone with pure OS if you want to - like you can reflash your N9 with Mer now. 4. I almost agree with you regarding patents but idea is that Jolla has its own patent portfolio gifted to them by Nokia. 5. Hurmola according to LinkedIn still works for Jolla. As well they are not hiding why CEO was changed - they are quite transparent regarding that. Sorry, but don't find that now. I'm not related to Jolla in any way. I'm (mobile) developer who believes that Jolla will succeed.

halostatue 14y ago
I have no relation to Jolla at all—neither competitor or likely customer. At the moment, I'm not doing any direct mobile development (we will be offering something for mobile in the future, but this is not affected by the existence or absence of Jolla). My entire relationship with Jolla is reading this nonsensical article and writing my comment with a bit of simple (short) research. 1. Yes, the journalist (or his editor) is lazy here. However, they probably wouldn't cast the article in such a stark light without prompting from Jolla. 2a. Happy to admit that I was wrong here; the article contained no information about these relationships, and Jolla’s website is essentially content free. 2b. I addressed this (mostly) in a reply to a sibling comment. My point here was that (again) the journalist was lazy-to-irresponsible for pretending that China is different because of the lack of subsidy. 3. Unless Jolla exerts some control over the handset manufacturer and/or the carriers that offer Sailfish phones, which Jolla has explicitly said that they aren't going to do, users will not (necessarily) have the freedom to reflash their phone. This is the problem with Android: there have been both manufacturer locks and carrier locks that prevent timely receipt of updates (including security updates) or OS management of your own phone. You have to root and/or jailbreak your phone to make this happen, and some phones actively fight that (e.g., one of the Motorola phones that I remember a big stink about). 4. Having a nice set of defensive patents gifted by Nokia (hopefully it's done properly so they can use them for defence, rather than merely having a licence to them) is useful, but is not the same as the claim in the article that the are immune to any existing patents. Some of the claims made by Samsung regarding radios clearly indicate that this is not the case. 5. I looked for the CEO change info on Jolla's remarkably content-free website. I couldn't find it. Hurmola's relationship to Jolla (as noted on LinkedIn) is limited to being on the board, as the transition notes that I did find was related to looking after the Sailfish ecosystem. What I found interesting is that it's not clear to me how long Hurmola was CEO—and again, there's remarkably little information. Regardless of why the change was done, I'd be a little skeptical as a partner about the changes at the top with as little transparency as they exhibit. I'm neither positive nor negative toward Jolla itself: I think it will fail, but I don't want them to fail. I'm deeply negative to this horrendously awful uncritical article. It's roughly the equivalent of a news report from Fox News, CNBC, or cnet, or an analysis by Rob Enderle.
- daliusd 14y ago
  I agree that article is poor. Jolla's official presentations, interviews with them or their twitter feed is much better source of information. 2b. I guess that's poor interpretation what Jolla says about China. In general Jolla puts a lot of hope/weight in China. 3. Let's wait and see. While betting on China from their side might mean that users will have less freedom not more. 5. My impression is that Hurmola simply not enjoyed being CEO (he found himself more valuable in other position). http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/15/jolla-ceo-switch/ http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/15/jolla-ceo-switch/ I personally believe that at least one company should manage to take special place in current market (BB10, Jolla, Mozilla, someone else) - I don't want to name it 3rd ecosystem because it is not. My bet is on BB10 and Jolla (BB10 has bigger chances than Jolla, but Jolla might succeed in Europe as well if marketed properly). I personally find Android quite boring/unattractive/wrong and iOS too closed - both as developer and as user.

by daliusd 14y ago

halostatue 14y ago

I have no relation to Jolla at all—neither competitor or likely customer. At the moment, I'm not doing any direct mobile development (we will be offering something for mobile in the future, but this is not affected by the existence or absence of Jolla). My entire relationship with Jolla is reading this nonsensical article and writing my comment with a bit of simple (short) research. 1. Yes, the journalist (or his editor) is lazy here. However, they probably wouldn't cast the article in such a stark light without prompting from Jolla. 2a. Happy to admit that I was wrong here; the article contained no information about these relationships, and Jolla’s website is essentially content free. 2b. I addressed this (mostly) in a reply to a sibling comment. My point here was that (again) the journalist was lazy-to-irresponsible for pretending that China is different because of the lack of subsidy. 3. Unless Jolla exerts some control over the handset manufacturer and/or the carriers that offer Sailfish phones, which Jolla has explicitly said that they aren't going to do, users will not (necessarily) have the freedom to reflash their phone. This is the problem with Android: there have been both manufacturer locks and carrier locks that prevent timely receipt of updates (including security updates) or OS management of your own phone. You have to root and/or jailbreak your phone to make this happen, and some phones actively fight that (e.g., one of the Motorola phones that I remember a big stink about). 4. Having a nice set of defensive patents gifted by Nokia (hopefully it's done properly so they can use them for defence, rather than merely having a licence to them) is useful, but is not the same as the claim in the article that the are immune to any existing patents. Some of the claims made by Samsung regarding radios clearly indicate that this is not the case. 5. I looked for the CEO change info on Jolla's remarkably content-free website. I couldn't find it. Hurmola's relationship to Jolla (as noted on LinkedIn) is limited to being on the board, as the transition notes that I did find was related to looking after the Sailfish ecosystem. What I found interesting is that it's not clear to me how long Hurmola was CEO—and again, there's remarkably little information. Regardless of why the change was done, I'd be a little skeptical as a partner about the changes at the top with as little transparency as they exhibit. I'm neither positive nor negative toward Jolla itself: I think it will fail, but I don't want them to fail. I'm deeply negative to this horrendously awful uncritical article. It's roughly the equivalent of a news report from Fox News, CNBC, or cnet, or an analysis by Rob Enderle.

daliusd 14y ago
I agree that article is poor. Jolla's official presentations, interviews with them or their twitter feed is much better source of information. 2b. I guess that's poor interpretation what Jolla says about China. In general Jolla puts a lot of hope/weight in China. 3. Let's wait and see. While betting on China from their side might mean that users will have less freedom not more. 5. My impression is that Hurmola simply not enjoyed being CEO (he found himself more valuable in other position). http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/15/jolla-ceo-switch/ http://www.engadget.com/2012/10/15/jolla-ceo-switch/ I personally believe that at least one company should manage to take special place in current market (BB10, Jolla, Mozilla, someone else) - I don't want to name it 3rd ecosystem because it is not. My bet is on BB10 and Jolla (BB10 has bigger chances than Jolla, but Jolla might succeed in Europe as well if marketed properly). I personally find Android quite boring/unattractive/wrong and iOS too closed - both as developer and as user.