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If there's one article that shows the problem with Wikipedia it's the one you're quoting and it's sister https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspira

If there's one article that shows the problem with Wikipedia it's the one you're quoting and it's sister https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_th... which says that cultural marxism is an anti-semitic conspiracy theory. And then you read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School and leave confused... Edit: for example, here's a passage from the wiki page on frankfurt school. Adorno and Horkheimer's Dialectic of Enlightenment, written during the Institute's exile in America, was published in 1944. While retaining many Marxist insights, this work shifted emphasis from a critique of the material forces of production to a critique of the social and ideological forces brought about by early capitalism. So, culture? and marxism?

vrganj 4mo ago
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- FergusArgyll 4mo ago
  Are you implying I'm a Nazi for thinking that there's a cultural component to Marxist thought some of which is present in modern culture?! If I misunderstood your comment, I apologize
  - vrganj 4mo ago
    I'm not implying you're a Nazi, but I am pointing out the historical heritage of this line of argument. We've been here before, this exact same conspiracy theory was created by the Nazis to justify the unjustifiable. The slight rebranding of "Cultural B̶o̶l̶s̶h̶e̶v̶i̶s̶m̶ Marxism" is what Anders Breivik used to justify his acts of terrorism. We've gone done this road before. It doesn't lead anywhere good. I'm not putting ill intent on you, but I would implore you to reconsider your stance on this.
    - FergusArgyll 4mo ago
      I see. But there's pages about other aspects of Marxist theory some of which I'm sure was used to excuse crimes against humanity by the Nazis and other evil doers. See here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Marxism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Marxism In general Wikipedia takes an anti censorship approach regarding articles which can cause evil. So why is the aspect of Marxism which deals with culture completely taboo and not represented? I'm not even sure if it's due to something bigger I just think the article on cultural marxism might be one of the worst on Wikipedia.
      - vrganj 4mo ago
        I think the article about the conspiracy theory you linked addresses your concerns quite well, it talks about what the Frankfurt school was actually about and the way the far right has been twisting it to support the narrative that has led to so many dead. I'm not sure why you were so opposed to said article, I read it and it seems to lay everything out pretty well, including full sourcing. Could you tell me what exactly you take issue with?
        FergusArgyll 4mo ago
        > it talks about what the Frankfurt school was actually about Can you quote it here? I seem to have missed it in my rereading.
projektfu 4mo ago
It is a difference, perhaps, between Marxist cultural studies, and "Cultural Marxism", a label applied by antagonists to a large variety of activities?

vrganj 4mo ago

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FergusArgyll 4mo ago
Are you implying I'm a Nazi for thinking that there's a cultural component to Marxist thought some of which is present in modern culture?! If I misunderstood your comment, I apologize
- vrganj 4mo ago
  I'm not implying you're a Nazi, but I am pointing out the historical heritage of this line of argument. We've been here before, this exact same conspiracy theory was created by the Nazis to justify the unjustifiable. The slight rebranding of "Cultural B̶o̶l̶s̶h̶e̶v̶i̶s̶m̶ Marxism" is what Anders Breivik used to justify his acts of terrorism. We've gone done this road before. It doesn't lead anywhere good. I'm not putting ill intent on you, but I would implore you to reconsider your stance on this.
  - FergusArgyll 4mo ago
    I see. But there's pages about other aspects of Marxist theory some of which I'm sure was used to excuse crimes against humanity by the Nazis and other evil doers. See here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Marxism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Marxism In general Wikipedia takes an anti censorship approach regarding articles which can cause evil. So why is the aspect of Marxism which deals with culture completely taboo and not represented? I'm not even sure if it's due to something bigger I just think the article on cultural marxism might be one of the worst on Wikipedia.
    - vrganj 4mo ago
      I think the article about the conspiracy theory you linked addresses your concerns quite well, it talks about what the Frankfurt school was actually about and the way the far right has been twisting it to support the narrative that has led to so many dead. I'm not sure why you were so opposed to said article, I read it and it seems to lay everything out pretty well, including full sourcing. Could you tell me what exactly you take issue with?
      - FergusArgyll 4mo ago
        > it talks about what the Frankfurt school was actually about Can you quote it here? I seem to have missed it in my rereading.

projektfu 4mo ago

It is a difference, perhaps, between Marxist cultural studies, and "Cultural Marxism", a label applied by antagonists to a large variety of activities?