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> In October 2025, the ICJ issued an advisory opinion [wikidata] finding that Israel's claims that UNRWA had been infiltrated by Hamas were unsubstantiated. The

by n4r9 4mo ago

> In October 2025, the ICJ issued an advisory opinion [wikidata] finding that Israel's claims that UNRWA had been infiltrated by Hamas were unsubstantiated. The advisory opinion also said that Israel's decision to end cooperation with UNRWA and restrict humanitarian aid to Gaza breached its obligations under the Geneva Conventions and the UN Charter. It furthermore found that Israel's Gaza Humanitarian Foundation was not an adequate substitute, noting that more than 2,100 Palestinians had been killed near its distribution points and that conditions in Gaza had deteriorated to the point that international experts declared a famine in some areas in August. The ICJ further held that the mass transfer or deportation of civilians within occupied territory is prohibited, citing Israeli measures that forced large populations into overcrowded areas and severely restricted UN access. It also ruled that the two Knesset laws ending cooperation with UNRWA in the occupied territories were unlawful, noting that 360 UNRWA staff had been killed during the conflict. The court concluded that Israel, as an occupying power, had unlawfully impeded aid delivery, used starvation as a method of warfare, and failed to respect the immunities of UN personnel and premises. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA_and_Israel#International_Court_of_Justice_case https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNRWA_and_Israel#International...

Protostome 4mo ago
the UN claimed that the UN agency was just fine... no s**.
- n4r9 4mo ago
  The ICJ is legally and structurally independent of the UN. What specifically do you disagree with about the advisory opinion?
  - Protostome 4mo ago
    "The International Court of Justice (ICJ; French: Cour internationale de justice, CIJ), or colloquially the World Court, is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN)" "The Court is composed of a panel of 15 judges elected by the UN General Assembly and Security Council for nine-year terms" Literally, from the first few paragraphs of wikipedia. People don't read these days. If the UN general assembly (mostly anti israel) selects the judges how is it "structurally independent of the UN"?
    - throwaway9917 4mo ago
      I've often heard defenders of Israel crap on the UN General Assembly like it's some woke antifa type organization, but it's one representative per country, chosen by the country's government. If almost every country in the world is constantly officially condemning you, perhaps they are not the problem.
      - throw358643 4mo ago
        It’s disingenuous to pretend that the Middle East conflict does not align people according to tribal, religious, and political groupings, as well as international alliances. Given that Jews are 0.2% of the world’s population, in contrast to a very large population of people openly biased against Israel, it’s no surprise that when you take a global popular vote that Jews will lose. The UN is not a neutral institution.
        throwaway9917 4mo ago
        Sure I understand how Arab or Muslim countries might vote against Israel reflexively, but it's not just them, it's almost the entire world. Go look at this list of Israel related General Assembly resolutions in 2025: https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-of-the-world/ https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-... The typical vote is like 142-6. The Israeli claim is that almost the entire world are a bunch of anti-Semites that hate them for who they are. Perhaps it's not who they are but what they are doing.
        throw358643 4mo ago
        From your link: “From 2015 through 2024, the UN General Assembly has adopted 173 resolutions against Israel and 80 against other countries.” Do you seriously think that throughout this time Israel has been that much worse than all other countries? There are many other indications that the UN is biased about Israel: Only one country has its own permanent agenda Item 7 in the UN. Palestinian refugees have their own organization vs refugees from all over the world, with almost 10x the budget per person. In the UNESCO description of Jerusalem it says “The Wailing Wall delimits the quarters of the different religious communities”. There are many other examples like this. Not a single country in the world opened its doors to Jewish refugees during the Holocaust. So the majority of the world can absolutely be wrong.

by n4r9 4mo ago

Protostome 4mo ago

the UN claimed that the UN agency was just fine... no s**.

n4r9 4mo ago
The ICJ is legally and structurally independent of the UN. What specifically do you disagree with about the advisory opinion?
- Protostome 4mo ago
  "The International Court of Justice (ICJ; French: Cour internationale de justice, CIJ), or colloquially the World Court, is the principal judicial organ of the United Nations (UN)" "The Court is composed of a panel of 15 judges elected by the UN General Assembly and Security Council for nine-year terms" Literally, from the first few paragraphs of wikipedia. People don't read these days. If the UN general assembly (mostly anti israel) selects the judges how is it "structurally independent of the UN"?
  - throwaway9917 4mo ago
    I've often heard defenders of Israel crap on the UN General Assembly like it's some woke antifa type organization, but it's one representative per country, chosen by the country's government. If almost every country in the world is constantly officially condemning you, perhaps they are not the problem.
    - throw358643 4mo ago
      It’s disingenuous to pretend that the Middle East conflict does not align people according to tribal, religious, and political groupings, as well as international alliances. Given that Jews are 0.2% of the world’s population, in contrast to a very large population of people openly biased against Israel, it’s no surprise that when you take a global popular vote that Jews will lose. The UN is not a neutral institution.
      - throwaway9917 4mo ago
        Sure I understand how Arab or Muslim countries might vote against Israel reflexively, but it's not just them, it's almost the entire world. Go look at this list of Israel related General Assembly resolutions in 2025: https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-of-the-world/ https://unwatch.org/2025-unga-resolutions-on-israel-vs-rest-... The typical vote is like 142-6. The Israeli claim is that almost the entire world are a bunch of anti-Semites that hate them for who they are. Perhaps it's not who they are but what they are doing.
        throw358643 4mo ago
        From your link: “From 2015 through 2024, the UN General Assembly has adopted 173 resolutions against Israel and 80 against other countries.” Do you seriously think that throughout this time Israel has been that much worse than all other countries? There are many other indications that the UN is biased about Israel: Only one country has its own permanent agenda Item 7 in the UN. Palestinian refugees have their own organization vs refugees from all over the world, with almost 10x the budget per person. In the UNESCO description of Jerusalem it says “The Wailing Wall delimits the quarters of the different religious communities”. There are many other examples like this. Not a single country in the world opened its doors to Jewish refugees during the Holocaust. So the majority of the world can absolutely be wrong.