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ITS NOT OWNED AND MANAGED BY THE GOVERNMENT. You literally just quoted why it’s not public housing. Jesus Christ.

eru 3mo ago
Wikipedia says 'usually'. And, yes, you are right that the individual HDB flats are typically owned by individual families (though the government also owns some and rents them out, but that's the exception). However, HDB still does a lot of the managing. Eg HDB manages the lifts and other common spaces. They organise getting the exterior repainted, or general upgrading works to plumbing etc. HDB also subsidises the price of a flat when you buy directly from them. There's a reason they have maximum income caps for buying. My unpopular opinion: HDB should declare victory and go home. They more than solved the original acute housing shortage they were created for. --- Singapore does a lot of things right. And HDB is, as usually a lot more competent than pretty much any other public housing programme anywhere else in the world. But that doesn't mean everything Singapore does (including HDB) is automatically a good idea forever. Just like our local recreational drug policy could probably be improved by moving closer to what we do with the casinos. And the ban on vaping is just silly.
- youre-wrong3 3mo ago
  > However, HDB still does a lot of the managing. Eg HDB manages the lifts and other common spaces. They organise getting the exterior repainted, or general upgrading works to plumbing etc. By that logic every apartment block is public housing.
  - eru 3mo ago
    No, why? The condos in Singapore are run by private-sector management companies.
    - youre-wrong3 3mo ago
      Because someone manages the lifts lights and exterior. So it must be public housing by your logic.
      - eru 3mo ago
        Huh? HDB, which is an arm of the government, manages lifts, light and exterior. The condo management companies are not arms of the government. What is so hard about this? Is there something I'm not understanding?
        youre-wrong3 3mo ago
        If the criteria to be public housing is that someone manages the lifts, lights, and exterior. Then all apartment blocks are public housing. Condos and HDBs are all public housing.
        tovej 3mo ago
        The criteria for social housing is that the government subsidized it. That's all.
        youre-wrong3 3mo ago
        Pushing the goalpost to justify your classification.
        tovej 3mo ago
        Not really. The goal posts have not moved since the beginning. I'm still claiming the same thing, and the definitions are the same. How about you read the wikipedia article on public housong in Singapore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore It says: "In 2025, close to 80% of Singapore's resident population was reported to be living in public housing,[1] down from a high of 88.0% in 2000." Let's follow that reference, and take a look at what the Singaporean government says, at https://www.mnd.gov.sg/our-work/housing-a-nation/public-housing https://www.mnd.gov.sg/our-work/housing-a-nation/public-hous... , under the section title "Public Housing": "Singapore has one of the highest home ownership rate in the world, due to the commitment of our founding fathers since the very beginning of nation building. Today, there are more than 1 million HDB flats across the island, home to close to 80% of Singapore's resident population. The schemes highlighted below help Singaporeans meet their housing needs at different life stages." So the dictionary says that HBD housing is public housing, wikipedia says that HBD housing is public housing, and the Singaporean government says that HBD housing is public housing.
bluebarbet 3mo ago
The definition is qualified: "usually", "nonprofit organizations", "combination". >Jesus Christ. Sometimes I'm disappointed by the level of contributions here.
- youre-wrong3 3mo ago
  I can say the same about your “contributions” You can’t go calling things they are not.
  - bluebarbet 3mo ago
    For the benefit of any others (miraculously) still reading, I will repeat the statement of fact that you continue stubbornly to deny against all evidence: "'social housing' is a general term that implies subsidization and affordability rather than any one specific ownership model". Others will make up their mind. Over and out.
    - youre-wrong3 3mo ago
      For the benefit of any others. Bluebarbet has never been to Singapore and ultimately doesn’t know what he’s talking about. HDBs are not public housing. It’s land control because Singapore is so tiny.
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eru 3mo ago

Wikipedia says 'usually'. And, yes, you are right that the individual HDB flats are typically owned by individual families (though the government also owns some and rents them out, but that's the exception). However, HDB still does a lot of the managing. Eg HDB manages the lifts and other common spaces. They organise getting the exterior repainted, or general upgrading works to plumbing etc. HDB also subsidises the price of a flat when you buy directly from them. There's a reason they have maximum income caps for buying. My unpopular opinion: HDB should declare victory and go home. They more than solved the original acute housing shortage they were created for. --- Singapore does a lot of things right. And HDB is, as usually a lot more competent than pretty much any other public housing programme anywhere else in the world. But that doesn't mean everything Singapore does (including HDB) is automatically a good idea forever. Just like our local recreational drug policy could probably be improved by moving closer to what we do with the casinos. And the ban on vaping is just silly.

youre-wrong3 3mo ago
> However, HDB still does a lot of the managing. Eg HDB manages the lifts and other common spaces. They organise getting the exterior repainted, or general upgrading works to plumbing etc. By that logic every apartment block is public housing.
- eru 3mo ago
  No, why? The condos in Singapore are run by private-sector management companies.
  - youre-wrong3 3mo ago
    Because someone manages the lifts lights and exterior. So it must be public housing by your logic.
    - eru 3mo ago
      Huh? HDB, which is an arm of the government, manages lifts, light and exterior. The condo management companies are not arms of the government. What is so hard about this? Is there something I'm not understanding?
      - youre-wrong3 3mo ago
        If the criteria to be public housing is that someone manages the lifts, lights, and exterior. Then all apartment blocks are public housing. Condos and HDBs are all public housing.
        tovej 3mo ago
        The criteria for social housing is that the government subsidized it. That's all.
        youre-wrong3 3mo ago
        Pushing the goalpost to justify your classification.
        tovej 3mo ago
        Not really. The goal posts have not moved since the beginning. I'm still claiming the same thing, and the definitions are the same. How about you read the wikipedia article on public housong in Singapore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_housing_in_Singapore It says: "In 2025, close to 80% of Singapore's resident population was reported to be living in public housing,[1] down from a high of 88.0% in 2000." Let's follow that reference, and take a look at what the Singaporean government says, at https://www.mnd.gov.sg/our-work/housing-a-nation/public-housing https://www.mnd.gov.sg/our-work/housing-a-nation/public-hous... , under the section title "Public Housing": "Singapore has one of the highest home ownership rate in the world, due to the commitment of our founding fathers since the very beginning of nation building. Today, there are more than 1 million HDB flats across the island, home to close to 80% of Singapore's resident population. The schemes highlighted below help Singaporeans meet their housing needs at different life stages." So the dictionary says that HBD housing is public housing, wikipedia says that HBD housing is public housing, and the Singaporean government says that HBD housing is public housing.

bluebarbet 3mo ago

The definition is qualified: "usually", "nonprofit organizations", "combination". >Jesus Christ. Sometimes I'm disappointed by the level of contributions here.

youre-wrong3 3mo ago
I can say the same about your “contributions” You can’t go calling things they are not.
- bluebarbet 3mo ago
  For the benefit of any others (miraculously) still reading, I will repeat the statement of fact that you continue stubbornly to deny against all evidence: "'social housing' is a general term that implies subsidization and affordability rather than any one specific ownership model". Others will make up their mind. Over and out.
  - youre-wrong3 3mo ago
    For the benefit of any others. Bluebarbet has never been to Singapore and ultimately doesn’t know what he’s talking about. HDBs are not public housing. It’s land control because Singapore is so tiny.
    - deleted 3mo ago
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