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I think you might not get the context this is coming from, it’s about a game developer laid off from Blizzard not wanting to partake in the technology that will

I think you might not get the context this is coming from, it’s about a game developer laid off from Blizzard not wanting to partake in the technology that will justify layoffs of their friends. Pretty straight forward to me.

echelon 4mo ago
You will not have a job in software in the future if you refuse to use AI. I fully stand behind that prediction. edit: despite the downvotes, I'll double down: most of today's software jobs will disappear. Your job, if it is in software, will disappear. It might transform into something new, if you're lucky. Or it might just go away entirely.
- bayarearefugee 4mo ago
  For the vast majority of people who currently have a job in software... you will not have a job in software in the future whether you use AI or not. The tide is coming for almost all of us.
  - Bombthecat 4mo ago
    Yap, the signs are here. Software and code is turning into a commodity
  - mynameisbilly 4mo ago
    I guess I'm just confused by this sentiment. Are you making these conclusions while considering the fact that AI is still heavily subsidized? The economics of AI isn't quite the same as other software/tech. I don't think it's going anywhere, but I don't know what happens when prices start to rise because these companies need to start turning a profit.
    - InsideOutSanta 4mo ago
      I'm happy using GLM 5.2 at API pricing. There will never be a point where essentially unlimited usage (i.e. what I, as a normal developer, can use at peak effort) of extremely good models will become financially unattainable.
      - echelon 4mo ago
        > There will never be a point where essentially unlimited usage (i.e. what I, as a normal developer, can use at peak effort) of extremely good models will become financially unattainable. The way you phrase this prevents refutation. But there will be a point where ordinary individuals cannot participate in the majority of the upside. In the future, some class of models will require enormous compute that is outside the financial capital capability of ordinary individual contributors, middle class, and upper middle class. This will be sold as a capability to well-funded companies.
        taintballs69 4mo ago
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        InsideOutSanta 4mo ago
        Yes, I don't disagree with what you're saying. I'm responding to a specific claim: that the capabilities we have now will become much more expensive in the future.
  - gafferongames 4mo ago
    > For the vast majority of people who currently have a job in software... you will not have a job in software in the future whether you use AI or not. The tide is coming for almost all of us. I'll agree with you as soon as all video games are in the metaverse and run natively on the blockchain.
    - echelon 4mo ago
      Metaverse is bullshit. Blockchain is bullshit. Crypto is bullshit. VR and wearables are bullshit. AI does your job. Robots do your job. These are real and substantial and actually provide enormous value. You can get more done per unit of time. I want them to do my job and everyone else's jobs, I just want to make sure there's a functioning economy we can participate in and benefit from at the other side.
      - gafferongames 4mo ago
        AI makes up shit that doesn't exist and lies to you. Sure, let's get the word salad generator to write all the code. What a great fucking idea.
        echelon 4mo ago
        I've just built a $3M run rate company in five months on mostly AI outputs in Rust, which is rock solid code. In my career I've been a six nines systems engineer. Stuff like billion dollar daily volume payments platforms, and my work was always situated in critical flows - so I know a thing or two about solid engineering work. Just a moment ago I asked AI for a complicated multithreaded state machine with variational queuing logic. Claude Code Opus delivered. I'm reviewing it now. It's phenomenal code. You need to reassess the world. Your priors are deeply flawed. These models are absolutely incredible. I mean it - you're going to be hurt badly if you don't reevaluate what is happening and plan accordingly.
        jplusequalt 4mo ago
        >I mean it - you're going to be hurt badly if you don't reevaluate what is happening and plan accordingly. What plans can most people reasonably come up with? If AI is taking over software, it's taking over lots of other computer related jobs. If you're not a highly paid engineer, or come from money, most people can't just re-skill for entirely different careers.
- amanaplanacanal 4mo ago
  What year, and how much money are you willing to bet?
- iwontberude 4mo ago
  Not a chance… our backlogs are exploding with AI. The review work is so massive we are hiring to handle it.
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Bombthecat 4mo ago
Yeah, but nothing he can do
- iwontberude 4mo ago
  Social implications are really hard to shake, but I agree it’s basically a lost cause fighting at this point. I’m hoping like Ed Zitron that it fails via some more durable reason.

echelon 4mo ago

You will not have a job in software in the future if you refuse to use AI. I fully stand behind that prediction. edit: despite the downvotes, I'll double down: most of today's software jobs will disappear. Your job, if it is in software, will disappear. It might transform into something new, if you're lucky. Or it might just go away entirely.

bayarearefugee 4mo ago
For the vast majority of people who currently have a job in software... you will not have a job in software in the future whether you use AI or not. The tide is coming for almost all of us.
- Bombthecat 4mo ago
  Yap, the signs are here. Software and code is turning into a commodity
- mynameisbilly 4mo ago
  I guess I'm just confused by this sentiment. Are you making these conclusions while considering the fact that AI is still heavily subsidized? The economics of AI isn't quite the same as other software/tech. I don't think it's going anywhere, but I don't know what happens when prices start to rise because these companies need to start turning a profit.
  - InsideOutSanta 4mo ago
    I'm happy using GLM 5.2 at API pricing. There will never be a point where essentially unlimited usage (i.e. what I, as a normal developer, can use at peak effort) of extremely good models will become financially unattainable.
    - echelon 4mo ago
      > There will never be a point where essentially unlimited usage (i.e. what I, as a normal developer, can use at peak effort) of extremely good models will become financially unattainable. The way you phrase this prevents refutation. But there will be a point where ordinary individuals cannot participate in the majority of the upside. In the future, some class of models will require enormous compute that is outside the financial capital capability of ordinary individual contributors, middle class, and upper middle class. This will be sold as a capability to well-funded companies.
      - taintballs69 4mo ago
        [dead]
      - InsideOutSanta 4mo ago
        Yes, I don't disagree with what you're saying. I'm responding to a specific claim: that the capabilities we have now will become much more expensive in the future.
- gafferongames 4mo ago
  > For the vast majority of people who currently have a job in software... you will not have a job in software in the future whether you use AI or not. The tide is coming for almost all of us. I'll agree with you as soon as all video games are in the metaverse and run natively on the blockchain.
  - echelon 4mo ago
    Metaverse is bullshit. Blockchain is bullshit. Crypto is bullshit. VR and wearables are bullshit. AI does your job. Robots do your job. These are real and substantial and actually provide enormous value. You can get more done per unit of time. I want them to do my job and everyone else's jobs, I just want to make sure there's a functioning economy we can participate in and benefit from at the other side.
    - gafferongames 4mo ago
      AI makes up shit that doesn't exist and lies to you. Sure, let's get the word salad generator to write all the code. What a great fucking idea.
      - echelon 4mo ago
        I've just built a $3M run rate company in five months on mostly AI outputs in Rust, which is rock solid code. In my career I've been a six nines systems engineer. Stuff like billion dollar daily volume payments platforms, and my work was always situated in critical flows - so I know a thing or two about solid engineering work. Just a moment ago I asked AI for a complicated multithreaded state machine with variational queuing logic. Claude Code Opus delivered. I'm reviewing it now. It's phenomenal code. You need to reassess the world. Your priors are deeply flawed. These models are absolutely incredible. I mean it - you're going to be hurt badly if you don't reevaluate what is happening and plan accordingly.
        jplusequalt 4mo ago
        >I mean it - you're going to be hurt badly if you don't reevaluate what is happening and plan accordingly. What plans can most people reasonably come up with? If AI is taking over software, it's taking over lots of other computer related jobs. If you're not a highly paid engineer, or come from money, most people can't just re-skill for entirely different careers.
amanaplanacanal 4mo ago
What year, and how much money are you willing to bet?
iwontberude 4mo ago
Not a chance… our backlogs are exploding with AI. The review work is so massive we are hiring to handle it.

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Bombthecat 4mo ago

Yeah, but nothing he can do

iwontberude 4mo ago
Social implications are really hard to shake, but I agree it’s basically a lost cause fighting at this point. I’m hoping like Ed Zitron that it fails via some more durable reason.