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According to LTT the original price was in the $800 range, but thanks to Sam Altman it increased to what we saw today.

yaro330 4mo ago
I think that was already in the RAM crisis, so that was priced in. I think it would be a lot cheaper w/o the whole price boom.
- tokai 4mo ago
  Not it was definitely before.
Insanity 4mo ago
LTT was only speculating, they did not know the actual price as far as I remember. (They had a video doing some educated guesses, or maybe a WAN show, can’t exactly recall). No doubt the price was lower before this hardware shortage, but the $800 is not a reliable number afaik.
- sambaumann 4mo ago
  In their video today, they said they asked Valve the original pricing, and they said (paraphrasing) "we can't tell you exactly - but the increase we recently had on the steam deck is about how much the pricing for machine increased" - which is how they came up with the $800 number
  - ErneX 4mo ago
    Yup, and another source: https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklqvns2o https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklq...
  - Insanity 4mo ago
    Ohh, I thought it was in their earlier videos. I did not see they released one today lol, my bad!
  - kuschku 4mo ago
    Depends on if the Valve employee meant percentage increase (+50%) or dollar increase (+$200). That's set the steam machine at either $650 or $800, depending on which interpretation you're using.
    - arijun 4mo ago
      Why would it be the same percentage increase? RAM is only one component of the whole machine. "We were going to sell our airplane for $10 million, but one screw doubled in price so now we're selling it for $20 million."
      - kuschku 4mo ago
        Because it's not just one screw, at the moment RAM, flash and GPUs are experiencing massive price increases. And in both machines a similar percentage of their price is caused by these components.
        Forgeties79 4mo ago
        >GPUs AMD GPU's are all still basically MSRP. You can get a 9070 for $600 off amazon right now.
      - brailsafe 4mo ago
        Because of the proportion of the two critical component increases as a part of the whole. It's not like a screw, more like the propeller or something. I just bought ram at retail price, and in my currency it went from $100 to $600CAD for 32Gb. I can't even justify a nvme drive at this point, the prices are comical.
        kuschku 4mo ago
        I built my current computer in 2020, went from part-time junior engineer to full-time senior engineer, and I couldn't afford to replace that computer at the same specs today. It's unbelievable. I couldn't afford to replace my current NVMe drives (which is why I'm very happy I set everything up with the Samsung 970 Pro, as they're 2-bit drives that will outlast even my grandchildren). I actually had to RMA some RAM yesterday, and even that has gotten so expensive that it now costs more than my entire computer cost in 2020.
BoredPositron 4mo ago
Don't use LTT as a source for anything. They are mainly an entertainment channel with a giant track record of fuck ups anything data related.
- ErneX 4mo ago
  It’s not just LTT https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklqvns2o https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklq...
- Fizz43 4mo ago
  Even taking into account all their fuckups majority of their content is accurate and well sourced. I dont know why people do this thing where they point to a few instances and then extrapolate that out.
  - BoredPositron 4mo ago
    They literally paused uploading videos because they had an insane amount of wrong data in their videos. It got better for a few months when they decided to slow down video releases but now they are back at it. I dont know why people do this thing where they ignore factual data because they like a creator.
    - Fizz43 4mo ago
      You mean when they just opened their new lab and a massive controversy happened?
      - BoredPositron 4mo ago
        The lab is 3 years old and it collapsed one time...
        Fizz43 4mo ago
        so only 99.9% of their output is accurate? I guess that to inaccurate for a video game review to be trustworthy.
blahblaher 4mo ago
And Amodei, and Satya, and Pichai.., don't forget about them.
- moffkalast 4mo ago
  Well none of them actually went out and pretended to buy the entire world's supply of silicon. So no, Altman gets most of the blame personally in this case and the silicon fabs for taking the fake order like absolute tictacs. Demand would be high otherwise too, but that's what got everyone panic buying and resulted in this mess.
  - sumedh 4mo ago
    Elon bought and Amodei and Sunder are using it now. So Altman was right, his bet paid off.

I think that was already in the RAM crisis, so that was priced in. I think it would be a lot cheaper w/o the whole price boom.

tokai 4mo ago
Not it was definitely before.

Insanity 4mo ago

LTT was only speculating, they did not know the actual price as far as I remember. (They had a video doing some educated guesses, or maybe a WAN show, can’t exactly recall). No doubt the price was lower before this hardware shortage, but the $800 is not a reliable number afaik.

sambaumann 4mo ago
In their video today, they said they asked Valve the original pricing, and they said (paraphrasing) "we can't tell you exactly - but the increase we recently had on the steam deck is about how much the pricing for machine increased" - which is how they came up with the $800 number
- ErneX 4mo ago
  Yup, and another source: https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklqvns2o https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklq...
- Insanity 4mo ago
  Ohh, I thought it was in their earlier videos. I did not see they released one today lol, my bad!
- kuschku 4mo ago
  Depends on if the Valve employee meant percentage increase (+50%) or dollar increase (+$200). That's set the steam machine at either $650 or $800, depending on which interpretation you're using.
  - arijun 4mo ago
    Why would it be the same percentage increase? RAM is only one component of the whole machine. "We were going to sell our airplane for $10 million, but one screw doubled in price so now we're selling it for $20 million."
    - kuschku 4mo ago
      Because it's not just one screw, at the moment RAM, flash and GPUs are experiencing massive price increases. And in both machines a similar percentage of their price is caused by these components.
      - Forgeties79 4mo ago
        >GPUs AMD GPU's are all still basically MSRP. You can get a 9070 for $600 off amazon right now.
    - brailsafe 4mo ago
      Because of the proportion of the two critical component increases as a part of the whole. It's not like a screw, more like the propeller or something. I just bought ram at retail price, and in my currency it went from $100 to $600CAD for 32Gb. I can't even justify a nvme drive at this point, the prices are comical.
      - kuschku 4mo ago
        I built my current computer in 2020, went from part-time junior engineer to full-time senior engineer, and I couldn't afford to replace that computer at the same specs today. It's unbelievable. I couldn't afford to replace my current NVMe drives (which is why I'm very happy I set everything up with the Samsung 970 Pro, as they're 2-bit drives that will outlast even my grandchildren). I actually had to RMA some RAM yesterday, and even that has gotten so expensive that it now costs more than my entire computer cost in 2020.

BoredPositron 4mo ago

Don't use LTT as a source for anything. They are mainly an entertainment channel with a giant track record of fuck ups anything data related.

ErneX 4mo ago
It’s not just LTT https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklqvns2o https://bsky.app/profile/papapishu.bsky.social/post/3movfklq...
Fizz43 4mo ago
Even taking into account all their fuckups majority of their content is accurate and well sourced. I dont know why people do this thing where they point to a few instances and then extrapolate that out.
- BoredPositron 4mo ago
  They literally paused uploading videos because they had an insane amount of wrong data in their videos. It got better for a few months when they decided to slow down video releases but now they are back at it. I dont know why people do this thing where they ignore factual data because they like a creator.
  - Fizz43 4mo ago
    You mean when they just opened their new lab and a massive controversy happened?
    - BoredPositron 4mo ago
      The lab is 3 years old and it collapsed one time...
      - Fizz43 4mo ago
        so only 99.9% of their output is accurate? I guess that to inaccurate for a video game review to be trustworthy.

blahblaher 4mo ago

And Amodei, and Satya, and Pichai.., don't forget about them.

moffkalast 4mo ago
Well none of them actually went out and pretended to buy the entire world's supply of silicon. So no, Altman gets most of the blame personally in this case and the silicon fabs for taking the fake order like absolute tictacs. Demand would be high otherwise too, but that's what got everyone panic buying and resulted in this mess.
- sumedh 4mo ago
  Elon bought and Amodei and Sunder are using it now. So Altman was right, his bet paid off.