4 ms·

And freedom fighters are supposed to actually care about "freedom" while terrorists generally do not. I fail to see what great advancements in freedom for anyon

And freedom fighters are supposed to actually care about "freedom" while terrorists generally do not. I fail to see what great advancements in freedom for anyone involved have come out of the terror attacks performed over the past 25 years.

deanishe 3mo ago
Islamists fight to be the oppressors, not to help the oppressed.
- JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
  > Islamists fight to be the oppressors Eh, the history of Islamism comes out of rebelling against secular dictators who had a habit of imprisoning their thought leaders.
  - Mainan_Tagonist 3mo ago
    or put simply, just rebelling against any attempt at modernising muslim societies. Anwar Sadat comes to mind.
b40d-48b2-979e 3mo ago
25 years? Why stop there? How about the US terror attacks on other countries civilians since at least the 1960s?
- Mainan_Tagonist 3mo ago
  Yeah... what about those? How many retaliatory terror attacks on americans performed by citizen of those countries? What point are you trying to make? US bad? Anything more thoughtful to offer? The US are an empire and they have behaved as an empire over the last 70 years (bombing, overthrowing governments, supporting dictators). By historical standard, they have proved less coercive than empires of proportionally comparable reach. Think of the Mongols, the Assyrians, the Japanese...
- Jensson 3mo ago
  When did USA bomb a civilian house that wasn't a part of a larger operation? Terrorist attacks only target civilians, I have never seen such an attack by USA. They always try to target military or leaders. The last time I know USA did a terror attack was japan in ww2, but everyone did terror bombing during that war, and the first world stopped doing terror bombings since then. If USA still ran that doctrine you would have Tehran and the rest of major Iranian cities leveled to the ground now, that is what it looks like when the strongest military in the world perform terror attacks.
  - b40d-48b2-979e 3mo ago
    If you ignore our proxies. Or are Israel's attacks destroying the hospitals and apartment buildings in Gaza and Lebanon "part of a larger operation"? I guess it's okay we napalmed Vietnam and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians because it was "part of a larger operation"? American Exceptionalism is a disease.
  - tremon 3mo ago
    Are you sure your name isn't Jingo? > When did USA bomb a civilian house that wasn't a part of a larger operation Why does that matter? The attacks on the Twin Towers were also part of a larger operation, does that excuse the attacks in any way? > Terrorist attacks only target civilians Nope, terrorism can include literally anything when Power deems it convenient. https://stratnewsglobal.com/europe/united-kingdom/uk-charges-four-pro-palestinian-activists-over-airbase-break-in/ https://stratnewsglobal.com/europe/united-kingdom/uk-charges... : British MPs on Wednesday voted to declare pro-Palestinian group Palestine Action a terrorist organisation, after its activists broke into a military base and damaged two aircraft > I have never seen such an attack by USA That may very well be true, but the world is a lot bigger than what your eyes can capture. "I don't see it, therefore it doesn't exist" is a state of mind that most people grow out of around the age of 8 months. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre : When the soldiers got to the village, they did not find any NLF troops. Despite this, many soldiers began to kill the villagers, mainly elderly people, women, and children > [the USA] always try to target military or leaders Bless your heart. https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/02/politics/timeline-us-strikes-caribbean-pacific-vis https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/02/politics/timeline-us-strikes-... : The US military has killed at least 207 people in strikes that have destroyed 66 vessels > The last time I know USA did a terror attack was japan in ww2 Yet another example of "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/24/worlddispatch.iraq https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/24/worlddispatch.... : To some in the Arab and Muslim countries, Shock and Awe is terrorism by another name; to others, a crime that compares unfavourably with September 11 > the first world stopped doing terror bombings since then Nixon and Kissinger were not part of the first world, then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu : Apart from the large human toll, perhaps the most powerful and direct impact of the bombing was the political backlash it caused [..] The U.S. carpet bombing of Cambodia was partly responsible for the rise of what had been a small-scale Khmer Rouge insurgency, which now grew capable of overthrowing the Lon Nol government Nixon decided to keep the bombing a secret from the American people as to admit to bombing an officially neutral nation would damage his credibility > that is what it looks like when the strongest military in the world perform terror attacks We know perfectly well what it looks like: https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/12/22/2025-in-gaza-12-months-12-pictures https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/12/22/2025-in-gaza-12...

deanishe 3mo ago

Islamists fight to be the oppressors, not to help the oppressed.

JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
> Islamists fight to be the oppressors Eh, the history of Islamism comes out of rebelling against secular dictators who had a habit of imprisoning their thought leaders.
- Mainan_Tagonist 3mo ago
  or put simply, just rebelling against any attempt at modernising muslim societies. Anwar Sadat comes to mind.

b40d-48b2-979e 3mo ago

25 years? Why stop there? How about the US terror attacks on other countries civilians since at least the 1960s?

Mainan_Tagonist 3mo ago
Yeah... what about those? How many retaliatory terror attacks on americans performed by citizen of those countries? What point are you trying to make? US bad? Anything more thoughtful to offer? The US are an empire and they have behaved as an empire over the last 70 years (bombing, overthrowing governments, supporting dictators). By historical standard, they have proved less coercive than empires of proportionally comparable reach. Think of the Mongols, the Assyrians, the Japanese...
Jensson 3mo ago
When did USA bomb a civilian house that wasn't a part of a larger operation? Terrorist attacks only target civilians, I have never seen such an attack by USA. They always try to target military or leaders. The last time I know USA did a terror attack was japan in ww2, but everyone did terror bombing during that war, and the first world stopped doing terror bombings since then. If USA still ran that doctrine you would have Tehran and the rest of major Iranian cities leveled to the ground now, that is what it looks like when the strongest military in the world perform terror attacks.
- b40d-48b2-979e 3mo ago
  If you ignore our proxies. Or are Israel's attacks destroying the hospitals and apartment buildings in Gaza and Lebanon "part of a larger operation"? I guess it's okay we napalmed Vietnam and killed hundreds of thousands of civilians because it was "part of a larger operation"? American Exceptionalism is a disease.
- tremon 3mo ago
  Are you sure your name isn't Jingo? > When did USA bomb a civilian house that wasn't a part of a larger operation Why does that matter? The attacks on the Twin Towers were also part of a larger operation, does that excuse the attacks in any way? > Terrorist attacks only target civilians Nope, terrorism can include literally anything when Power deems it convenient. https://stratnewsglobal.com/europe/united-kingdom/uk-charges-four-pro-palestinian-activists-over-airbase-break-in/ https://stratnewsglobal.com/europe/united-kingdom/uk-charges... : British MPs on Wednesday voted to declare pro-Palestinian group Palestine Action a terrorist organisation, after its activists broke into a military base and damaged two aircraft > I have never seen such an attack by USA That may very well be true, but the world is a lot bigger than what your eyes can capture. "I don't see it, therefore it doesn't exist" is a state of mind that most people grow out of around the age of 8 months. https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_Massacre : When the soldiers got to the village, they did not find any NLF troops. Despite this, many soldiers began to kill the villagers, mainly elderly people, women, and children > [the USA] always try to target military or leaders Bless your heart. https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/02/politics/timeline-us-strikes-caribbean-pacific-vis https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/02/politics/timeline-us-strikes-... : The US military has killed at least 207 people in strikes that have destroyed 66 vessels > The last time I know USA did a terror attack was japan in ww2 Yet another example of "one man's terrorist is another's freedom fighter" https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/24/worlddispatch.iraq https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/24/worlddispatch.... : To some in the Arab and Muslim countries, Shock and Awe is terrorism by another name; to others, a crime that compares unfavourably with September 11 > the first world stopped doing terror bombings since then Nixon and Kissinger were not part of the first world, then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Menu : Apart from the large human toll, perhaps the most powerful and direct impact of the bombing was the political backlash it caused [..] The U.S. carpet bombing of Cambodia was partly responsible for the rise of what had been a small-scale Khmer Rouge insurgency, which now grew capable of overthrowing the Lon Nol government Nixon decided to keep the bombing a secret from the American people as to admit to bombing an officially neutral nation would damage his credibility > that is what it looks like when the strongest military in the world perform terror attacks We know perfectly well what it looks like: https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/12/22/2025-in-gaza-12-months-12-pictures https://www.aljazeera.com/gallery/2025/12/22/2025-in-gaza-12...