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> The world is not sliding, but galloping into a new transnational dystopia. This development has not been properly recognized outside of national security circ

> The world is not sliding, but galloping into a new transnational dystopia. This development has not been properly recognized outside of national security circles. I agree with Moxie Marlinspike on that, we were preparing for fascism but got social democracy[1]. Assange is still preparing for fascism. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG0KrT6pBPk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eG0KrT6pBPk

droithomme 14y ago
"Assange is still preparing for fascism." You mean the guy who is in internal exile in Britain because as a journalist he revealed war crimes committed by Britain's partner the United States? He's the guy who is delusional about the form of government that surrounds him, huh? Glad it's as simple as that.
- blablabla123 14y ago
  To add some more complexity: the reason he is in a dodgy situation in the first place are rape allegations. Looking at some "leaked" parts of his biography this doesn't sound too far-fetched to me. I definitely appreciate his engagement in disclosing many interesting documents about the micro-social diplomatic environment. But after all, what about the more interesting stuff? Leaked documents from the center of the turbo capitalist universe are still pending. (IIRC those were promised for around last christmas...)
  - chunkyslink 14y ago
    There have been no charges laid against Julian Assange. The only 'dodgy situation' as you put it is that there has been so much effort to get him extradited to Sweden by a UK government who would not normally be interested in 'allegations' without substance from abroad.
    - sliverstorm 14y ago
      There have been no charges laid against Julian Assange Isn't this because he refuses to undergo questioning? As I understood it, the laws under which he is to be charged prohibit laying charges against him until they question him. So in this case, to say he has not been charged is devoid of meaning.
      - whopper1 14y ago
        He offered to be questioned from the embassy, where he cannot be extradited from. Officials said no. He offered to go in for questioning under the condition that it was agreed that there would be no extradition. Officials said no. So he sought asylum in the embassy under the pretense that he would otherwise face torture and death at the hands of the United States. Ecuador agreed that this was a valid concern, so they let him stay. Seems telling.
        sliverstorm 14y ago
        I don't remember the reason for the first one, but in regards to the second line item, I am told that again, their legal process simply does not allow them to make such promises. Honestly, to me it looks a lot like Assange's argument boils down to, "I've asked for special treatment, but they won't give it to me. Clearly, they are conspiring against me."
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  - nazgulnarsil 14y ago
    You make my argument for me. Crypto means nothing when you can be accused of rape, pedophilia, drug trafficking etc and have your life destroyed at the leisure of the powers that be. The only defense the average person has is security through obscurity.
codeulike 14y ago
In that video, Moxie argues for a slightly different focus due to a different situation, but the overall concern is the same.
ahelwer 14y ago
This was a really great talk. Thanks so much for posting it! Lots of things I had not ever considered before, and the OTR model is really neat.

droithomme 14y ago

"Assange is still preparing for fascism." You mean the guy who is in internal exile in Britain because as a journalist he revealed war crimes committed by Britain's partner the United States? He's the guy who is delusional about the form of government that surrounds him, huh? Glad it's as simple as that.

blablabla123 14y ago
To add some more complexity: the reason he is in a dodgy situation in the first place are rape allegations. Looking at some "leaked" parts of his biography this doesn't sound too far-fetched to me. I definitely appreciate his engagement in disclosing many interesting documents about the micro-social diplomatic environment. But after all, what about the more interesting stuff? Leaked documents from the center of the turbo capitalist universe are still pending. (IIRC those were promised for around last christmas...)
- chunkyslink 14y ago
  There have been no charges laid against Julian Assange. The only 'dodgy situation' as you put it is that there has been so much effort to get him extradited to Sweden by a UK government who would not normally be interested in 'allegations' without substance from abroad.
  - sliverstorm 14y ago
    There have been no charges laid against Julian Assange Isn't this because he refuses to undergo questioning? As I understood it, the laws under which he is to be charged prohibit laying charges against him until they question him. So in this case, to say he has not been charged is devoid of meaning.
    - whopper1 14y ago
      He offered to be questioned from the embassy, where he cannot be extradited from. Officials said no. He offered to go in for questioning under the condition that it was agreed that there would be no extradition. Officials said no. So he sought asylum in the embassy under the pretense that he would otherwise face torture and death at the hands of the United States. Ecuador agreed that this was a valid concern, so they let him stay. Seems telling.
      - sliverstorm 14y ago
        I don't remember the reason for the first one, but in regards to the second line item, I am told that again, their legal process simply does not allow them to make such promises. Honestly, to me it looks a lot like Assange's argument boils down to, "I've asked for special treatment, but they won't give it to me. Clearly, they are conspiring against me."
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- nazgulnarsil 14y ago
  You make my argument for me. Crypto means nothing when you can be accused of rape, pedophilia, drug trafficking etc and have your life destroyed at the leisure of the powers that be. The only defense the average person has is security through obscurity.

codeulike 14y ago

In that video, Moxie argues for a slightly different focus due to a different situation, but the overall concern is the same.

ahelwer 14y ago

This was a really great talk. Thanks so much for posting it! Lots of things I had not ever considered before, and the OTR model is really neat.