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Taking a view from outside the USA, European companies just had Fable taken away due to US export controls, and before that Anthropic announced it is holding th

Taking a view from outside the USA, European companies just had Fable taken away due to US export controls, and before that Anthropic announced it is holding their data for 30 days. There is immediate value to these firms to build their infrastructure around an AI that won’t be pulled away from them. And outside of Europe, other countries are more price sensitive and don’t have the same fear of building relationships with Chinese companies.

SubiculumCode 4mo ago
And you have that guarantee from Xi?
- bornfreddy 4mo ago
  With openweights? Yes. It might halucinate a backdoor somewhere ( not that you can trust any model about that), but it will still work.
- Lutger 4mo ago
  You don't need no guarantee nor even trust if you have openweights, that's the beauty of it. The real question is: what guarantee do we have from Trump that he won't pull away the software (and hardware) our society is built on? Previously we could pretend to rely on the international order as shaped by the US itself, and as an extension on the guarantees of the US president. But with Trump, even Xi sounds like a standup guy. So as Europe, we must scramble to disentangle the core of our societies from AWS, Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. etc.
WarmWash 4mo ago
There is no such thing as a relationship with "chinese companies". In China there is just the State, and that is it. If the world needs any more evidence of Europe's short-sightedness, it would be them running to China to spite the US (instead of creating fertile grounds for their own tech).
- metobehonest 4mo ago
  No one is running to China to "spite the US". Recent geopolitical developments have shown the US to be a violent, unpredictable and unreliable partner.
- Lutger 4mo ago
  No doubt there are some feelings involved in geopolitics. However, if your mental model of global trade and politics doesn't go beyond comparing Europe to a toddler having tantrum, then you just might miss some important nuances.

SubiculumCode 4mo ago

And you have that guarantee from Xi?

bornfreddy 4mo ago
With openweights? Yes. It might halucinate a backdoor somewhere ( not that you can trust any model about that), but it will still work.
Lutger 4mo ago
You don't need no guarantee nor even trust if you have openweights, that's the beauty of it. The real question is: what guarantee do we have from Trump that he won't pull away the software (and hardware) our society is built on? Previously we could pretend to rely on the international order as shaped by the US itself, and as an extension on the guarantees of the US president. But with Trump, even Xi sounds like a standup guy. So as Europe, we must scramble to disentangle the core of our societies from AWS, Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. etc.

WarmWash 4mo ago

There is no such thing as a relationship with "chinese companies". In China there is just the State, and that is it. If the world needs any more evidence of Europe's short-sightedness, it would be them running to China to spite the US (instead of creating fertile grounds for their own tech).

metobehonest 4mo ago
No one is running to China to "spite the US". Recent geopolitical developments have shown the US to be a violent, unpredictable and unreliable partner.
Lutger 4mo ago
No doubt there are some feelings involved in geopolitics. However, if your mental model of global trade and politics doesn't go beyond comparing Europe to a toddler having tantrum, then you just might miss some important nuances.