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Right? What a hideous and repulsive vision of the future. No humanity, just artifice and comfortable lies. I’ll take genuine human society any day. I would

Right? What a hideous and repulsive vision of the future. No humanity, just artifice and comfortable lies. I’ll take genuine human society any day. I would pay for any tools that block “ai agents” from talking to me. Hell I would pay for a tool right now to filter ai slop from the feeds.

scotty79 4mo ago
Oh no. Comfort. How will we ever suffer it! I don't like lies. So I won't be optimizing for lies. But I also don't like garbage. So I'll be optimizing for filtering it out. Even if the source of garbage are genuine humans. I had a suspicion some time ago that this craving for genuine has masochistic foundations. You just provided me with another point in the pointcloud, I'm trying to infer the shape of reality out of. > Hell I would pay for a tool right now to filter ai slop from the feeds. Agent can build one for you. Even today. But the first step is to take full control of your feed sources. If you are browsing cookie cutter websites with a cookie cutter browser, it might be hard to do.
- beej71 4mo ago
  > Oh no. Comfort. How will we ever suffer it! You jest, but this is the human condition. People in comfort suffer all the time. It's the basis for the expression "familiarity breeds contempt". You might have someone who has everything they ever wanted, and yet they will still say, "And yet..." This is why people react so strongly. They sense that having their every need taken care of is a special type of Hell. There was a episode of the "new" Twilight Zone in the 80s that used this device, I believe. And the "masochism" is part of that. There is no light without the darkness. People at the equator will never feel the joy of springtime; one must have known the cold of winter in order to do so.
  - scotty79 4mo ago
    > You jest, but this is the human condition. People in comfort suffer all the time. It's the basis for the expression "familiarity breeds contempt". Humans are diverse. There are humans that climb tallest mountain for no objective reason, getting frostbite for life and still feeling unfulfilled. And there are humans that happily and contently live their whole life in one house. There's no universal "human condition". > There is no light without the darkness. Human narrations are full of false dichotomies. In metaphorical sense light and darkness are nearly completely orthogonal. History of our species was filled with incredible amounts of suffering. It's normal to have circuits in the brain and associated narratives that embellish, glorify and legitimize suffering. > People at the equator will never feel the joy of springtime; one must have known the cold of winter in order to do so. Yeah, you'll never experience the joy of healing if you don't impale yourself on that sharp object. You don't have to experience everything in life. This also goes for pain induced pleasures. It's perfectly fine to choose not to experience something (when existence awards you the opportunity to pass on it).
- solid_fuel 4mo ago
  > Agent can build one for you. Even today. No… No they cannot. This is why people say LLMs are rotting your brain. It’s not currently possible to distinguish LLM content from human content automatically and asking the slop machine to do it won’t achieve anything. You would know that if you understood the problem domain. That is exactly why it is important to build real knowledge as a human, instead of relying on LLMs to do all your thinking for you. Give it a shot sometime.
  - scotty79 4mo ago
    > No… No they cannot. Have you tried? Give it your feed. Ask it to pass it through antislop + SLOP_Detector + slop-forensics and whatever else your agent can find for you. Will it filter out every last bit of AI content? No, but I'm sure it will spare you from more than half. Will it leave in every last bit of human produced content? No. But the ones it's going to filter out are gonna read like slop to you anyways. We are living in the real world. There are no perfect solutions for every wish. But a lot can be done towards fullfilling some of their parts. Thanks to agentic coding more than ever. The difference between telling AI what to make and seeing how it goes, instead of sitting on your hands proclaiming it's impossible to make is really small. Hey, the best thing that could happen, it could confirm what you are already sure of.
    - solid_fuel 4mo ago
      > Have you tried? Give it your feed. Ask it to pass it through [...] I've reworded this a few times but I still can't figure out how to say it gently, so I'm just going to say it. Your lack of knowledge about something - in this case the detection of LLM generated content - is not on the same footing as actually having knowledge about it. In this case I am already familiar enough with the state of the art for content classification to know that LLM detection systems are not reliable enough to apply to a feed. > The difference between telling AI what to make and seeing how it goes, instead of sitting on your hands proclaiming it's impossible to make is really small. And both achieve the same result: no usable tool. It's not worth spending the time or money it would take to slop together something that isn't going to do the job.
- LocalH 4mo ago
  Generative LLMs will take writing that predates their entire existence and loudly proclaim "this is 90% AI"

scotty79 4mo ago

Oh no. Comfort. How will we ever suffer it! I don't like lies. So I won't be optimizing for lies. But I also don't like garbage. So I'll be optimizing for filtering it out. Even if the source of garbage are genuine humans. I had a suspicion some time ago that this craving for genuine has masochistic foundations. You just provided me with another point in the pointcloud, I'm trying to infer the shape of reality out of. > Hell I would pay for a tool right now to filter ai slop from the feeds. Agent can build one for you. Even today. But the first step is to take full control of your feed sources. If you are browsing cookie cutter websites with a cookie cutter browser, it might be hard to do.

beej71 4mo ago
> Oh no. Comfort. How will we ever suffer it! You jest, but this is the human condition. People in comfort suffer all the time. It's the basis for the expression "familiarity breeds contempt". You might have someone who has everything they ever wanted, and yet they will still say, "And yet..." This is why people react so strongly. They sense that having their every need taken care of is a special type of Hell. There was a episode of the "new" Twilight Zone in the 80s that used this device, I believe. And the "masochism" is part of that. There is no light without the darkness. People at the equator will never feel the joy of springtime; one must have known the cold of winter in order to do so.
- scotty79 4mo ago
  > You jest, but this is the human condition. People in comfort suffer all the time. It's the basis for the expression "familiarity breeds contempt". Humans are diverse. There are humans that climb tallest mountain for no objective reason, getting frostbite for life and still feeling unfulfilled. And there are humans that happily and contently live their whole life in one house. There's no universal "human condition". > There is no light without the darkness. Human narrations are full of false dichotomies. In metaphorical sense light and darkness are nearly completely orthogonal. History of our species was filled with incredible amounts of suffering. It's normal to have circuits in the brain and associated narratives that embellish, glorify and legitimize suffering. > People at the equator will never feel the joy of springtime; one must have known the cold of winter in order to do so. Yeah, you'll never experience the joy of healing if you don't impale yourself on that sharp object. You don't have to experience everything in life. This also goes for pain induced pleasures. It's perfectly fine to choose not to experience something (when existence awards you the opportunity to pass on it).
solid_fuel 4mo ago
> Agent can build one for you. Even today. No… No they cannot. This is why people say LLMs are rotting your brain. It’s not currently possible to distinguish LLM content from human content automatically and asking the slop machine to do it won’t achieve anything. You would know that if you understood the problem domain. That is exactly why it is important to build real knowledge as a human, instead of relying on LLMs to do all your thinking for you. Give it a shot sometime.
- scotty79 4mo ago
  > No… No they cannot. Have you tried? Give it your feed. Ask it to pass it through antislop + SLOP_Detector + slop-forensics and whatever else your agent can find for you. Will it filter out every last bit of AI content? No, but I'm sure it will spare you from more than half. Will it leave in every last bit of human produced content? No. But the ones it's going to filter out are gonna read like slop to you anyways. We are living in the real world. There are no perfect solutions for every wish. But a lot can be done towards fullfilling some of their parts. Thanks to agentic coding more than ever. The difference between telling AI what to make and seeing how it goes, instead of sitting on your hands proclaiming it's impossible to make is really small. Hey, the best thing that could happen, it could confirm what you are already sure of.
  - solid_fuel 4mo ago
    > Have you tried? Give it your feed. Ask it to pass it through [...] I've reworded this a few times but I still can't figure out how to say it gently, so I'm just going to say it. Your lack of knowledge about something - in this case the detection of LLM generated content - is not on the same footing as actually having knowledge about it. In this case I am already familiar enough with the state of the art for content classification to know that LLM detection systems are not reliable enough to apply to a feed. > The difference between telling AI what to make and seeing how it goes, instead of sitting on your hands proclaiming it's impossible to make is really small. And both achieve the same result: no usable tool. It's not worth spending the time or money it would take to slop together something that isn't going to do the job.
LocalH 4mo ago
Generative LLMs will take writing that predates their entire existence and loudly proclaim "this is 90% AI"