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> When the two civilian dressed masked men entered the apparentment I think this is very irresponsible. What would happen if the owner was armed and harmed the
by selcuka 4mo ago
> When the two civilian dressed masked men entered the apparentment
I think this is very irresponsible. What would happen if the owner was armed and harmed the police thinking that they were criminals?
- Hamuko 4mo ago>What would happen if the owner was armed and harmed the police thinking that they were criminals? A hefty prison sentence for illegal handling of firearms and attempted homicide would be my guess.
- selcuka 4mo agoI was thinking of the police officers. Why risk your life for such a petty crime?
- breppp 4mo agoI think the gun proliferation situation in Denmark is probably different than the US
- klustregrif 4mo agoThis is Denmark not America, there is literally no risk to their life.
- JuniperMesos 4mo agoJust because Denmark doesn't have the same gun laws, culture around using guns for self-defense, or prevalence of guns as the US does, it doesn't mean that Danish police face no risk when they raid someone's home. Anytime the cops raid someone's home, regardless of whether or not is it a legitimate raid of a legitimate criminal, it's a violent act and there's risk that the cops will be hurt or killed.
- msh 4mo agoSince 1945 12 cops have been killed in the line of duty (excluding traffic accidents), mostly when responding to a violent crime (trying to stop bank robberies lead to 6 of those fatalities).
- stefanfisk 4mo agoDo you have any danish stats to back up your claim?
- stefanfisk 4mo agoThat’s such an American mentality. Here’s a short clip which might broaden your mind on possible ways to view how and when police should be using violence. https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/1c0e24s/american_police_visit_scotland_for_deescalation/ https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/1c0e24s/american_...
- fwn 4mo agoThe activist is well known. They likely knew he would answer the door, yet they still broke it down. In the U.S., you'd probably shoot some dog in that situation, if one was available. The entire scene is probably not meant as effective policing, but as punitive theater. This also explains why they disabled the cameras, as the theater was not intended for content reuse. Given that, I'd assume they knew he wouldn't shoot them or do anything even remotely like that.
- jopsen 4mo agoFirst time murder is typically gives around 12 years in Denmark. Sentences are not added up. So yes, trying to shot a police officer will definitely get you decent sentence -- it's not hefty by American standards.
- pikeangler 4mo agoThis is Denmark, nobody except gang members is armed
- orbital-decay 4mo agoThis is a very... US comment to make.
- impossiblefork 4mo agoYes and no. Weapons are normal here too.
- stefanfisk 4mo agoShooting intruders isn’t though. They’d basically have to attack you first for lethal force to be legal.
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- MemoryHoleHQ 4mo agoIf a masked person, that doesn't first identify themselves clearly as the police (which is difficult since, well, they are masked) breaks into my house, that's a lethal attack for sure. What are you going to do after they enter the house (if they aren't indeed the police and you trust they won't kill or rape your family)?
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- impossiblefork 4mo agoThis is not the law here in Sweden, at least. We don't have precedent in the way that common law countries do, and the judgements in actual cases point in slightly different directions-- in one case a court felt that the failure to fire a warning shot made it not self-defence, in another fighting people trying to get into an apartment with a knife was deemed acceptable. Generally though, if someone is breaking into your apartment while you're there, possibly trying to get at you, there's no limit, as long as you're actually trying to defend yourself (so no executing someone who you've clearly disabled, etc.). If people are breaking into your apartment and you fire a warning shot, then proceed to shoot the attackers, no one will complain.
- tchalla 4mo ago> What would happen if the owner was armed Might as well talk about unicorns as we are imaging this scenario in Denmark.
- messe 4mo agoYou can own multiple guns and store them at your residence in Denmark. I know a couple of people who do so, admittedly both ex-military. This isn't limited to shotguns or bolt action rifles for hunting. You can own up to six handguns. You do need to be licensed however, and given Andersen's history he probably wouldn't be permitted.
- herbstein 4mo agoYou can. But ammunition and the guns have to be stored in separate safes. And it's essentially impossible to get off with a self defense claim if you have time to gather your legal guns
- msh 4mo agoIt would still (in most cases, your response have to be proportional to the threat) be a crime to use them against a intruder.
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- tchalla 4mo agoYou should also add that most private guns owned in Denmark are typically for hunting, not self defence.
- jakkos 4mo agoWhile this is still bad, If you watch the video, the officers announce themselves and enter with empty hands... it's very different from videos of "raids" by US police that I've seen.