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You pay $200/month to Anthropic, $200/month to OpenAI, $200/month to Cursor, $200/month to $200/month to Google, and seeing that it didn't come to a nice round
by holistio 3mo ago
You pay $200/month to Anthropic, $200/month to OpenAI, $200/month to Cursor, $200/month to $200/month to Google, and seeing that it didn't come to a nice round $1024/month, you pay $200/month to Sakana to coordinate it all, because why not.
While you're at it, feel free to send me $200 as well, I'll generate a crypto address ending with "AI".
- holistio 3mo agoTIL: I just found out that base58 disallows I (capital i), l (lowercase L), O (capital o) and 0 (zero), so I could only generate GrxoJt4eNXE2QaQ55iPSa7hhiYdzCo8ZeAuokmh2Cai. (don't send anything, sharing only because of the base58 fun fact I didn't know)
- IdiotSavage 3mo agoMore fun facts: Omitting those characters makes it good for generating passwords if they need to be typed in by hand. Double-clicking a base58 string always selects the whole string and it doesn't wrap accidentally, thanks to missing / and +, so it's also convenient to copy and paste.
- wasabi991011 3mo agoUnfortunately, no special characters means that a base58 string will often be rejected as a secure enough password.
- rvz 3mo agoPay $0 to run a local model or even a cheap DeepSeek V4 model via their API which is close to free per million tokens. These prices are just going to get raced to $0.
- holistio 3mo agoMaybe. But for now it's fascinating how $200/month has kind of become a normal tier. It's similar to how AirPods normalised all of us having $300+ headphones. All of us would have scoffed at the idea a decade ago.
- p1esk 3mo agoMany people here spent a lot more than $300 on headphones long before AirPods appeared.
- sofixa 3mo agoThe Sony WH-1000XM series and the Bose QC35 were the standard quality headphones years before AirPods were a thing, and both retailed at $300+.
- holistio 3mo agoOf course, premium headphones existed before. I have a WH-1000XM4 sitting right next to me. But your aunt Josie didn't have one. Now Apple is selling 80 million units / year and the ~$300 price tag has become normal. Before that, most people had headphones that were 10 times cheaper.
- kijin 3mo agoNot while the hardware required to run a local model at an acceptable speed costs way more than $200. Guess what, the big players are hoarding all the RAM and GPUs so that other people can't afford decent hardware. It's working out beautifully for them!
- sofixa 3mo ago> Not while the hardware required to run a local model at an acceptable speed costs way more than $200 It's $200/month. You have to take into account energy costs and all the rest of a system, but if you break even within 1-2 years ($2400-$4800) it'd be a pretty good deal. And $4000 buys you a pretty decent system.
- kijin 3mo agoSure, if you're going to keep using it long term. But it's a hefty upfront investment for people who just want to experiment. The good thing about $200/month subscriptions is that you can cancel them any time and cut your losses. Not so with a $4000 computer that loses half of its resale value as soon as you plug it in. I think the current sweet spot for people who don't already own a high-end gaming PC is to rent a server with a beefy GPU from Hetzner et al. and run local models there.
- a2128 3mo agoI used to have a $20/mo ChatGPT subscription and now I spend $12 per year using Kimi models on OpenRouter, and that's with zero-data-retention-only providers (some models sometimes have free providers with scary tracking). Maybe I just don't use that many tokens, I don't fill the context with more than what's needed for a specific request, but it goes to show how these subscriptions can be an absolute ripoff. The thought of spending 200x that is insane to me
- mark_l_watson 3mo agoThe beauty of your approach: when people are not paying for an expensive subscription, they can decide to use models less and not feel like they are leaving money on the table.
- qainsights 3mo agoNot everyone can run local models. It is also expensive will be outdated soon as the model evolves.
- goodmythical 3mo agoWhere do you acquire free hardware and free electricity such that you can host local models for $0?
- audreyt 3mo agoHappy user here, pairing it with Composer 2.5, with Fugu Ultra as advisor and Fugur as planner. For scope/architecture it’s on par with useful Fable-style orchestration than one chat thread. I've been shipping production on archive.tw with Fugu Ultra in /advisor on oh-my-pi. Advisor doesn’t slow the loop if the driver stays fast. Worth it if your harness can split advisor from worker.
- Bombthecat 3mo agoWhich software are you using to do that? Edit: nevermind, but which plugin or so?
- someone_1234 3mo agoOr use openrouter and switch to model you want to use..(i think so)
- ljlolel 3mo agoOr TrustedRouter if you want privacy and open source
- yorwba 3mo agoYou ought to realize that shilling your product in the comments doesn't exactly come across as trustworthy.
- JumpCrisscross 3mo agoDisclosing affiliation hasn’t been a legal thing for a while. It’s reputational. Knowing that firm spams is a black mark.
- smusamashah 3mo agoOh! I thought TrustedRouter was a joke/sarcasm. Very wrong placement of the comment.
- ljlolel 3mo agoIt’s all open source and I say that it’s mine in all the sibling comments above
- robertwt7 3mo agoat this point I might just try Neuralwatt and see how much request I can get with GLM5.2. I've read a lot of reviews that its very cheap to run using Neuralwatt cloud
- JumpCrisscross 3mo agoDoes it work? I’m less interested in economics than fit with an MVP.
- da_grift_shift 3mo agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48625727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48625727
- da_grift_shift 3mo agoYo dawg, I heard you like agents, so we put agents in yo agents so you can burn tokens while you burn tokens.
- bicx 3mo agoI wish I only paid $200/mo for Anthropic! Multiply that by 20x.
- blks 3mo agoWhat are you getting out of it at $4000/month?
- maxdo 3mo agoi burned ~20k+/mo on codex.
- bicx 3mo agoRedesigned and rearchitected our company's backend and mobile apps in about 2 months with 1 engineer and 1 PM trained to work with Claude. We used a custom-built multi-agent harness to crank through lots of parallel tasks, which necessitated the API usage.
- ricardobeat 3mo agoMy current setup: $20/month: Claude Code $10/month: Minimax $16/month: Xiaomi Mimo $10/month: Opencode Go Opus at low/medium effort generates plans. Then several coordinator/worker pairs are possible: DeepSeek v4 Pro + Minimax M3, Mimo v2.5 Pro + Mimo v2.5, Mimo + Minimax, Sonnet 4.6 + Haiku. I've been running hundreds of long multi-agent sessions, topped up extra credits here and theere, but haven't reached $200/month spend yet. Relying entirely on Claude/Codex feels like a waste of cash now.
- emodendroket 3mo ago[dead]