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It’s a bit hard to feel sympathetic here. Those signing this petition actively enable and profit from one of the most pervasive surveillance networks ever built

by foltik 4mo ago

It’s a bit hard to feel sympathetic here. Those signing this petition actively enable and profit from one of the most pervasive surveillance networks ever built. Funny how much easier it is to tolerate something when it only affects other people.

cyanydeez 4mo ago
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- thin_carapace 4mo ago
  why should i feel bad that people are treated like slaves because they chose to do the bidding of a supervillain? those people made the decision to sell their souls and act as conduits for evil. personally I'd rather focus on the other people affected by supervillains ... because there are billions of us and we didn't choose to be treated this way.
  - jeltz 4mo ago
    Because if we don't then the rich can divide and conquer. We need to stand united, even with the Meta techbros.
    - thin_carapace 4mo ago
      could you please explain why should I unite with people that are actively working against my interests? getting paid a meta salary means they are richer than any other salaryman on earth. so meta workers are not humble salarymen working humble jobs, they are craven sycophants doing the bidding of a man who is openly happy to rape his fellow men for personal profit. why would it benefit me to unite with somebody who thinks it's okay to profit from the suffering of his fellow man?
- dylan604 4mo ago
  Did you honestly just compare getting paid large six figure salaries in comfy workspaces with spoiled children like perks to slavery and expect people to accept your premise? You look foolish if you're joking and you're a fool if you're serious. Either way, not a good look
avaer 4mo ago
Presumably the employees didn't ask for this, now they have to choose between accepting this and not having a job. You could argue they knew the company was horrible when they signed the deal with the devil, but this kind of bait and switch isn't the typical employment relationship; there is room for some sympathy.
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- codemog 4mo ago
  We’re supposed to have sympathy for techbros making half a million or more a year because.. they have to have their computer use monitored? Not even getting into the numerous list of unethical behavior of meta.. What a bizarre timeline..
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ianm218 4mo ago
I find Metas work very unethical but me but I think they should have basic workers rights still. Like yes what Meta is doing is legal and it’s at will work, but this level of surveillance feels like something the law didn’t really anticipate.
- foltik 4mo ago
  I don’t disagree. It’s dehumanizing, and they have a legitimate complaint. In almost any other context I’d be on the side of the workers here. I just have a hard time seeing Meta employees as innocent or helpless bystanders.
  - jakelazaroff 4mo ago
    Yeah, this is very much a "leopards ate my face" moment.
- siren2026 4mo ago
  > I think they should have basic workers rights still You make it look like they are underpaid poor manual workers. Those are people that chose to make >500k$/year by joining a company that is known to be one of the most toxic tech companies. Mos tof those people had probably multiple offers ad decided to optimize for money besides anything else. I have a hard time to feel sympathy or petition for their "worker's rights"
  - tibbar 4mo ago
    This feels overly cynical. My long-time friend took a job at Meta (over equally compelling financial alternatives) because the manager pitched the team and growth prospects well. (Meta turned out to be quite disappointing on these fronts. I never heard money as an important factor for joining or for leaving.) In general, the kind of people who get an offer from any particular big tech company probably can get similar money elsewhere, so it's unlikely to be as big a factor as you suggest.
  - gacgacgac 4mo ago
    Workers are workers. We have so much more in common with one another than we do with the capital class. Turning against a worker because they are doing better than another worker is giving in the divide and rule. Historically, this is exactly how factory owners tried to get the white and Black workers to schism rather than unionize. Workers deserve workers rights, and we should have solidarity towards all workers.
wahnfrieden 4mo ago
The workers deserve better conditions without full accountability for leadership's decisions. If Meta's workers were organized enough to improve their conditions, they could organize to shift company mission and tactics. They are nowhere near organized enough.
tdb7893 4mo ago
People uphold a million cruel systems every day, their sort of hypocrisy is so common I've found it just to accept that it's how humans work (especially in a situation like this where their paycheck requires them to not see all the privacy problems they all support). I know I'm hypocritical about a bunch of stuff in my life. Your perspective might be the more reasonable one but the way I see it, the hypocrisy is frustrating but it's sort of like getting mad at a dog for barking through a fence (dogs gonna dog) so I personally don't find it hard to be sympathetic still.
- compass_copium 4mo ago
  ...it's the intrinsic nature of the programmer to have no scruples and work for the shittiest company that can employ them because it offers a big paycheck?
  - w4yai 4mo ago
    Basically, yes.
  - EPWN3D 4mo ago
    Programmers aren't that special once they get a mortgage and a family.
  - tdb7893 4mo ago
    I've found that everyone has some hypocrisies that they cling to (it's really hard to see it in yourself). I believe I do a better job of it that Facebook employees, it would be really hard to be more blatantly hypocritical than this, but it's not like I don't make similar errors all the time. Especially on a post about them doing something decent, I can accept they are obviously hypocritical and just not be concerned with it right now. Edit: for something like this I think about the advice "don't punish someone for doing what you want them to do". This is Facebook employees publicly signing a pro-privacy document. It's obviously self serving so it would be weird to really praise them as people who protect privacy but I'm happy to support them in this regardless.
- ElProlactin 4mo ago
slim 4mo ago
it's not about symathy. Tactically, would you like your enemy to have this kind of control over its employees ? if the answer is no, you should support them

by foltik 4mo ago

cyanydeez 4mo ago

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thin_carapace 4mo ago
why should i feel bad that people are treated like slaves because they chose to do the bidding of a supervillain? those people made the decision to sell their souls and act as conduits for evil. personally I'd rather focus on the other people affected by supervillains ... because there are billions of us and we didn't choose to be treated this way.
- jeltz 4mo ago
  Because if we don't then the rich can divide and conquer. We need to stand united, even with the Meta techbros.
  - thin_carapace 4mo ago
    could you please explain why should I unite with people that are actively working against my interests? getting paid a meta salary means they are richer than any other salaryman on earth. so meta workers are not humble salarymen working humble jobs, they are craven sycophants doing the bidding of a man who is openly happy to rape his fellow men for personal profit. why would it benefit me to unite with somebody who thinks it's okay to profit from the suffering of his fellow man?
dylan604 4mo ago
Did you honestly just compare getting paid large six figure salaries in comfy workspaces with spoiled children like perks to slavery and expect people to accept your premise? You look foolish if you're joking and you're a fool if you're serious. Either way, not a good look

avaer 4mo ago

Presumably the employees didn't ask for this, now they have to choose between accepting this and not having a job. You could argue they knew the company was horrible when they signed the deal with the devil, but this kind of bait and switch isn't the typical employment relationship; there is room for some sympathy.

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codemog 4mo ago
We’re supposed to have sympathy for techbros making half a million or more a year because.. they have to have their computer use monitored? Not even getting into the numerous list of unethical behavior of meta.. What a bizarre timeline..
deleted 4mo ago
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ianm218 4mo ago

I find Metas work very unethical but me but I think they should have basic workers rights still. Like yes what Meta is doing is legal and it’s at will work, but this level of surveillance feels like something the law didn’t really anticipate.

foltik 4mo ago
I don’t disagree. It’s dehumanizing, and they have a legitimate complaint. In almost any other context I’d be on the side of the workers here. I just have a hard time seeing Meta employees as innocent or helpless bystanders.
- jakelazaroff 4mo ago
  Yeah, this is very much a "leopards ate my face" moment.
siren2026 4mo ago
> I think they should have basic workers rights still You make it look like they are underpaid poor manual workers. Those are people that chose to make >500k$/year by joining a company that is known to be one of the most toxic tech companies. Mos tof those people had probably multiple offers ad decided to optimize for money besides anything else. I have a hard time to feel sympathy or petition for their "worker's rights"
- tibbar 4mo ago
  This feels overly cynical. My long-time friend took a job at Meta (over equally compelling financial alternatives) because the manager pitched the team and growth prospects well. (Meta turned out to be quite disappointing on these fronts. I never heard money as an important factor for joining or for leaving.) In general, the kind of people who get an offer from any particular big tech company probably can get similar money elsewhere, so it's unlikely to be as big a factor as you suggest.
- gacgacgac 4mo ago
  Workers are workers. We have so much more in common with one another than we do with the capital class. Turning against a worker because they are doing better than another worker is giving in the divide and rule. Historically, this is exactly how factory owners tried to get the white and Black workers to schism rather than unionize. Workers deserve workers rights, and we should have solidarity towards all workers.

wahnfrieden 4mo ago

The workers deserve better conditions without full accountability for leadership's decisions. If Meta's workers were organized enough to improve their conditions, they could organize to shift company mission and tactics. They are nowhere near organized enough.

tdb7893 4mo ago

People uphold a million cruel systems every day, their sort of hypocrisy is so common I've found it just to accept that it's how humans work (especially in a situation like this where their paycheck requires them to not see all the privacy problems they all support). I know I'm hypocritical about a bunch of stuff in my life. Your perspective might be the more reasonable one but the way I see it, the hypocrisy is frustrating but it's sort of like getting mad at a dog for barking through a fence (dogs gonna dog) so I personally don't find it hard to be sympathetic still.

compass_copium 4mo ago
...it's the intrinsic nature of the programmer to have no scruples and work for the shittiest company that can employ them because it offers a big paycheck?
- w4yai 4mo ago
  Basically, yes.
- EPWN3D 4mo ago
  Programmers aren't that special once they get a mortgage and a family.
- tdb7893 4mo ago
  I've found that everyone has some hypocrisies that they cling to (it's really hard to see it in yourself). I believe I do a better job of it that Facebook employees, it would be really hard to be more blatantly hypocritical than this, but it's not like I don't make similar errors all the time. Especially on a post about them doing something decent, I can accept they are obviously hypocritical and just not be concerned with it right now. Edit: for something like this I think about the advice "don't punish someone for doing what you want them to do". This is Facebook employees publicly signing a pro-privacy document. It's obviously self serving so it would be weird to really praise them as people who protect privacy but I'm happy to support them in this regardless.
ElProlactin 4mo ago

slim 4mo ago

it's not about symathy. Tactically, would you like your enemy to have this kind of control over its employees ? if the answer is no, you should support them