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My oldest daughter almost died from the first Gardasil, so you may not die from cervical cancer, but die from something else. I am not against vaccines; my kids
by nikolay 4mo ago
My oldest daughter almost died from the first Gardasil, so you may not die from cervical cancer, but die from something else. I am not against vaccines; my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months, and so am I, but the HPV vaccine was not mandatory, so, given the experience and the similar genetics, we didn't do it for the other two kids. Yeah, there's a risk of cancer, which might be curable 5-10-15 years from now, but the risk of side effects is here now... for some. So, it's not always a win-win, and we've got no interest from health authorities in assessing the risk for my other two kids, so they also seem very risk-averse and want us to assume all the negatives.
- moralestapia 4mo agoMy condolences and a hug. Please forgive others who are insensible in this community and downvote you in spite of the terrible situation you had to deal with.
- apparent 4mo agoYeah I thought about mentioning the fairly rare but awful cases that seem pretty clearly linked to the shot. It may be not very common, but it is a thing, and it's worth considering in the cost-benefit analysis.
- mullingitover 4mo agoAnaphylaxis is going to happen something like 3 per million Gardasil doses. The math doesn’t math on the decision not to get the vaccine unless you know for a fact that you’re going to have an anaphylactic reaction. The risk of cancer is far higher if you choose to take the alternative risk.
- bluedevil2k 4mo ago> my kids are all fully vaccinated on a spaced-out schedule and not taking more than one shot in at least 2 months Why? At what point did you say “I know a better vaccine schedule than highly trained specialist doctors who have done decades of research on hundreds of thousand of children”? You don’t find this incredibly naive to think you know better than them?
- naturalmovement 4mo ago[flagged]
- mullingitover 4mo ago> Maybe he's raising his daughter in a culture that doesn't celebrate hedonism and massive numbers of casual sexual partners, effectively reducing the risk of HPV-induced cervical cancer to near-zero, no magic potion needed. This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms (and all the risks involved with installing them) because we're responsible people, not reckless morons who go playing with matches in their home." There are, on the low end, thousands of people who've died of cervical cancer they caught from HPV given to them by their one and only partner.
- apparent 4mo agoI don't think fire alarms is the right analogy. More like an Amish person getting antivirus software for their nonexistent computer.
- mullingitover 4mo agoThat's a broken analogy because everyone has the 'computer,' which in this situation is cells which are capable of being infected.
- apparent 4mo agoIt's not clear my analogy is more broken than yours, which is taken to task elsewhere in this thread. You can't get an STD because your neighbor has unsafe sex; your house can burn down because your neighbor smokes in bed.
- naturalmovement 4mo ago> This is like saying "We don't need fire alarms You might want to let Europe know about your fire alarm analogy because the whole of Eastern and Southern Europe including Spain and Italy as well as Iceland have no requirement for smoke detectors in residences. The justification is their superior brick and plaster construction makes them unnecessary compared to American and Australian matchstick and drywall construction.
- ourmandave 4mo agoWhen you got the shot didn't they tell you about the possible side effects and what to watch for? I know for the Covid vaccine I had to sit for an hour to make sure of something not happening.
- wolvoleo 4mo agoWhen I got it they didn't, no. Didn't have to stay either. But I was fine.
- nikolay 4mo agoWe forgot to get another vaccine shot. On the form, they ask if we want Gardasil. We declined. Then they took our daughter to administer the shots. They brought her back and started to apologize: "We're sorry, we didn't see that you declined, and we gave her the shot anyway." We could've sued them, especially with the adverse effects, but we're coming from a culture that's not overly litigious. And this is not the first time doctors in leading Southern California medical groups have completely ignored what's on the form! My son was going to have a minor surgery, so they asked me: "Oh, we give an anesthetic before we actually administer the actual one, because some kids are afraid of shots." I told them he's one of those kids and always liked, actually, even watching when they administer the shot, and never cries. This is given he's already on IV! Another doctor came a minute later and started changing the IV. I asked him, "What are you doing?" He said he was administering the pre-anesthetic. And I said that we declined it on the form, but it was too late. Then another doctor came and started to apologize - they don't read, they assume what people want! And this was at CHOC, the most prestigious children's hospital! Of course, as I said, we didn't sue. So, I know that you should double-check and ask exactly what they are doing. Unfortunately, you can do this only if you're present. And you should always require them to repeat what they plan to do to your kids if they are taking them away from you. And... you should sue, as commercial entities, just like people, learn best when it hurts.
- naturalmovement 4mo agoI find it extremely troubling that this comment detailing your very personal experience was flagged because it went against a prescribed narrative.