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Cancelled. Anthropic can get bent if it wants to market itself as the ethical AI choice and at the same time lies in bed with those openly pushing for a surveil

by sinker 4mo ago

Cancelled. Anthropic can get bent if it wants to market itself as the ethical AI choice and at the same time lies in bed with those openly pushing for a surveillance state.

IAmGraydon 4mo ago
Agreed, this is crazy, and is exactly why the administration did what it did. However, every frontier model will require this within months.
- sinker 4mo ago
  You're right. I want to say that openai is a viable alternative, but they're even less trustworthy. It might be time for me to start looking into Chinese models or purchasing hardware for local llms, even if the cost amounts to 5-10k.
  - ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo ago
    For 15k you could run the best open source models (that would require 200k in hardware to run) 24/7 at 50 tps for like 5 years straight. Im really not sure why anyone would spend 15k to run local llms. The models you'll be able to run (70b) param models will be incredibly underwhelming.
    - choo-t 4mo ago
      > For 15k you could run the best open source models (that would require 200k in hardware to run) 24/7 at 50 tps for like 5 years straight. Is this assuming no price increase and no throttling ?
jerry4next 4mo ago
I canceled when they first labeled as a supply chain risk. Switched to codex and neverlooked back. This company will be more evil then Google at the end.
- dgellow 4mo ago
  Do you believe OpenAI won’t face the same troubles?
  - jerry4next 4mo ago
    Thats a good question and I'm not sure. So far I am not aware of these same sort of issues facing OpenAI. On a side note I have been playing around with local LLM and while it works, the speed is the bottle neck for me.
- starik36 4mo ago
  OpenAI had the the same restrictions. Also required you to verify via Persona. I complained and at some point the restrictions were removed. Not sure if because of my complaining or if someone in our org actually verified. https://imgur.com/ugXQ6Eb https://imgur.com/ugXQ6Eb
  - jerry4next 4mo ago
    Interesting. Never knew about this and thats never happened to me. But good to know.
- slashdave 4mo ago
  So... do you know why they were labeled that way?
- byzantinegene 4mo ago
  and.. how is codex any better?
- zx8080 4mo ago
  Codex was bought by Musk a few days back.
  - DANmode 4mo ago
    You’re thinking of Cursor, I’m sure…… Codex is a product of OpenAI.
originalvichy 4mo ago
In my case, the ethical AI theatre fell apart as soon as I read about their first military contracts, specifically with the US government. Their ethos is boiled down to ”we’ll do everything to stop AI from killing us all! However, on the path to AI world domination, we don’t mind helping with killing people here and there :)”

by sinker 4mo ago

Cancelled. Anthropic can get bent if it wants to market itself as the ethical AI choice and at the same time lies in bed with those openly pushing for a surveillance state.

IAmGraydon 4mo ago

Agreed, this is crazy, and is exactly why the administration did what it did. However, every frontier model will require this within months.

sinker 4mo ago
You're right. I want to say that openai is a viable alternative, but they're even less trustworthy. It might be time for me to start looking into Chinese models or purchasing hardware for local llms, even if the cost amounts to 5-10k.
- ai_fry_ur_brain 4mo ago
  For 15k you could run the best open source models (that would require 200k in hardware to run) 24/7 at 50 tps for like 5 years straight. Im really not sure why anyone would spend 15k to run local llms. The models you'll be able to run (70b) param models will be incredibly underwhelming.
  - choo-t 4mo ago
    > For 15k you could run the best open source models (that would require 200k in hardware to run) 24/7 at 50 tps for like 5 years straight. Is this assuming no price increase and no throttling ?

jerry4next 4mo ago

I canceled when they first labeled as a supply chain risk. Switched to codex and neverlooked back. This company will be more evil then Google at the end.

dgellow 4mo ago
Do you believe OpenAI won’t face the same troubles?
- jerry4next 4mo ago
  Thats a good question and I'm not sure. So far I am not aware of these same sort of issues facing OpenAI. On a side note I have been playing around with local LLM and while it works, the speed is the bottle neck for me.
starik36 4mo ago
OpenAI had the the same restrictions. Also required you to verify via Persona. I complained and at some point the restrictions were removed. Not sure if because of my complaining or if someone in our org actually verified. https://imgur.com/ugXQ6Eb https://imgur.com/ugXQ6Eb
- jerry4next 4mo ago
  Interesting. Never knew about this and thats never happened to me. But good to know.
slashdave 4mo ago
So... do you know why they were labeled that way?
byzantinegene 4mo ago
and.. how is codex any better?
zx8080 4mo ago
Codex was bought by Musk a few days back.
- DANmode 4mo ago
  You’re thinking of Cursor, I’m sure…… Codex is a product of OpenAI.

originalvichy 4mo ago

In my case, the ethical AI theatre fell apart as soon as I read about their first military contracts, specifically with the US government. Their ethos is boiled down to ”we’ll do everything to stop AI from killing us all! However, on the path to AI world domination, we don’t mind helping with killing people here and there :)”