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Yes. I've tried avoiding caffeine during my year off. When I don't (even after weeks of abstinence) I sleep 12-14 hours a night and still need a nap during the

Yes. I've tried avoiding caffeine during my year off. When I don't (even after weeks of abstinence) I sleep 12-14 hours a night and still need a nap during the day, which is incompatible with having both a day job and something approaching a well-lived life involving laundry. So I drink caffeine, to be compatible with the labour market.

ed_balls 4mo ago
Have tired ADHD diagnosis?
- beaker52 4mo ago
  I have one :) Unmedicated. Side-effects impacted me more than the meds helped.
  - lukasm 4mo ago
    What were the side effects? High blood pressure, feeling like a "zombie", sleep getting worse? I'd try centanafadine and see a top ADHD specialist. There are a lot of variables: molecule, dose, release profile, melatonin timing. What is worth checking: * Comorbid anxiety or trauma symptoms (PTSD) * Hormone imbalance Just because your blood work is perfect, it doesn't mean all is good. I have hypomagnesemia - the tests were perfect, yet my body needs way more magnesium to function properly.
    - beaker52 4mo ago
      BP (manageable), tinnitus (BP related), prostate discharge (due to muscular tension), sleep getting worse as the week would go on until I'd have to stop. Sleep wasn't restful at all, which was the main problem. I'd feel like I'd closed my eyes and become unconscious, rather than actually asleep. I'd wake up in the morning like I'd been kept awake as some kind of torture all night, but with no recollection of it. I desperately wanted ADHD meds to help, but in the end the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze so I stopped. I tried all 3 or 4 different stims and 2 non-stims. Thank you for the pointers, I will look into them.
      - com2kid 4mo ago
        For the stims, I've found that most doctors titrate up the dose way to fast. For example for methylphenidate, I'd recommend starting on 2.5mg (1/2 the smallest pill) for a week or two, until side effects go away, and then up the dose to 5mg.
nchmy 4mo ago
You need more than weeks of abstinence, friend. Ive generally noticed 1-2 months are necessary to recover from all of the awful side effects of caffeine (from drinking a tiny amount of coffee per day - my body is just very sensitive to it). I urge you to try it.
- beaker52 4mo ago
  OK, from tomorrow, I will abstain for caffeine until 21st September at the earliest and take a read. Let's see if I will still have a job :)
  - dlahoda 4mo ago
    yeah. 2 month is good number. if you burn out at same time - it can take half year. caffein makes you work TWO-FOUR times slower than you could without. yeah, that is number i measured on self. and yet i still do it - drugs are drugs - coffee makes me happy - cappuccino - to make effect longer and less strait compared to black shots. also do not drink in the morning - feel pain of starting a day:) the only reason you will not have job - you can start hating your job and leave. but you would do job more productive without coffee.
- mattbruv 4mo ago
  > all of the awful side effects of caffeine If I may ask as a coffee addict, what were some of these that affected you specifically?
  - dlahoda 4mo ago
    hard to switch attention and context. easy to fall into "first idea good idea trap". lack of ability to work in priorities. lack of ability achieve long term goals, as long as these are not just extensive usage of self. procrastination. all this before even health issues like blood pressure and sleep disruption. if worth to drop at least once for half year - experience panic attacks may be - and get on track back with better control of addiction :)
  - nchmy 4mo ago

ed_balls 4mo ago

Have tired ADHD diagnosis?

beaker52 4mo ago
I have one :) Unmedicated. Side-effects impacted me more than the meds helped.
- lukasm 4mo ago
  What were the side effects? High blood pressure, feeling like a "zombie", sleep getting worse? I'd try centanafadine and see a top ADHD specialist. There are a lot of variables: molecule, dose, release profile, melatonin timing. What is worth checking: * Comorbid anxiety or trauma symptoms (PTSD) * Hormone imbalance Just because your blood work is perfect, it doesn't mean all is good. I have hypomagnesemia - the tests were perfect, yet my body needs way more magnesium to function properly.
  - beaker52 4mo ago
    BP (manageable), tinnitus (BP related), prostate discharge (due to muscular tension), sleep getting worse as the week would go on until I'd have to stop. Sleep wasn't restful at all, which was the main problem. I'd feel like I'd closed my eyes and become unconscious, rather than actually asleep. I'd wake up in the morning like I'd been kept awake as some kind of torture all night, but with no recollection of it. I desperately wanted ADHD meds to help, but in the end the juice just wasn't worth the squeeze so I stopped. I tried all 3 or 4 different stims and 2 non-stims. Thank you for the pointers, I will look into them.
    - com2kid 4mo ago
      For the stims, I've found that most doctors titrate up the dose way to fast. For example for methylphenidate, I'd recommend starting on 2.5mg (1/2 the smallest pill) for a week or two, until side effects go away, and then up the dose to 5mg.

nchmy 4mo ago

You need more than weeks of abstinence, friend. Ive generally noticed 1-2 months are necessary to recover from all of the awful side effects of caffeine (from drinking a tiny amount of coffee per day - my body is just very sensitive to it). I urge you to try it.

beaker52 4mo ago
OK, from tomorrow, I will abstain for caffeine until 21st September at the earliest and take a read. Let's see if I will still have a job :)
- dlahoda 4mo ago
  yeah. 2 month is good number. if you burn out at same time - it can take half year. caffein makes you work TWO-FOUR times slower than you could without. yeah, that is number i measured on self. and yet i still do it - drugs are drugs - coffee makes me happy - cappuccino - to make effect longer and less strait compared to black shots. also do not drink in the morning - feel pain of starting a day:) the only reason you will not have job - you can start hating your job and leave. but you would do job more productive without coffee.
mattbruv 4mo ago
> all of the awful side effects of caffeine If I may ask as a coffee addict, what were some of these that affected you specifically?
- dlahoda 4mo ago
  hard to switch attention and context. easy to fall into "first idea good idea trap". lack of ability to work in priorities. lack of ability achieve long term goals, as long as these are not just extensive usage of self. procrastination. all this before even health issues like blood pressure and sleep disruption. if worth to drop at least once for half year - experience panic attacks may be - and get on track back with better control of addiction :)
- nchmy 4mo ago