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"people under 16", you mean children right? "who also have the rights to freedom of expression and privacy", plenty of outlets for people to be expressive in t

"people under 16", you mean children right? "who also have the rights to freedom of expression and privacy", plenty of outlets for people to be expressive in the UK (more so than in the US for example, where the right wing will obviously attack any social media restrictions) that don't involve being fed junk divisive content from mainly US tech companies. Privacy != anonymity. Feel free to route your traffic via Wireguard. As long as it is not setup as a service for the mass evasion of age gates by children.

NVHacker 3mo ago
Nice try ! But the fact that the solution to protecting children comes with the maximum boost of government powers in the online world (across the set of all possible ways to protect children) is not a coincidence.
like_any_other 3mo ago
> Privacy != anonymity. Exactly. You can have your own misgivings about the UK government at home, in private, and share them with no-one. Or you can share them on the online public square, knowing the UK government will know exactly who wrote them. Good thing they never abuse their power of prosecution!
- dofm 3mo ago
  The government literally doesn't prosecute anyone. It is done by the CPS, which operates independently of government and the police. If I were a betting man I'd place a bet that you are further misinformed about the prosecutions you believe are happening and why. But I am not.
  - like_any_other 3mo ago
    > It is done by the CPS, which operates independently of government and the police. I should have written "state", not "government", you're right. Does that change anything? But, article 35 of the Chinese constitution guarantees their citizens freedom of speech and of the press. You're beyond naive if you believe they're independent. > If I were a betting man I'd place a bet that you are further misinformed about the prosecutions you believe are happening and why. UK politicians admitted the Online Safety Act was: “not primarily aimed at … the protection of children”, but was about regulating “services that have a significant influence over public discourse” - https://archive.md/2025.08.13-190800/https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/online-safety-act-botched-2xk8xwlps https://archive.md/2025.08.13-190800/https://www.thetimes.co... Even viewing "terrorist" material carries a potential 15 YEAR jail term: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41479620 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41479620 It's OK to be white and similar stickers landed a man in jail: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51zn2l33r9o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51zn2l33r9o https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/04/the-tyrannical-jailing-of-sam-melia/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/04/the-tyrannical-jail... I don't know how much worse you need it to be.
    - dofm 3mo ago
      I really do not know how to respond to this and it’s not because your critique is devastating.
      - like_any_other 3mo ago
        You can start by correcting any falsehoods I've written.
  - michaelt 3mo ago
    The government literally doesn't prosecute anyone. It is done by the CPS, which the Prime Minister, Kier Starmer, was head of from 2007 to 2013.
drnick1 3mo ago
> Privacy != anonymity. In practice, if you lose one, then you also lose the other.
- h4kunamata 3mo ago
  In practice, they are not the same and therefore, you are not losing anything by giving up the other. Privacy: Not having your phone's app collecting all sort of information. Why does an album app wanna access your phone, contacts, geo location??? Why do I need to provide a personal document to have access to X?? Some posts won't show if I don't install X App and provide a digital ID which I don't do thanks to OPNSense. Anonymity: You shouldn't be on the internet in the first place, everything you do and post stays here forever. Even if you are using burner accounts, if you commit a digital crime, you can be tracked, full stop. People are using VPN expecting to become "anonym", that is not what it is for.
monadgonad 3mo ago
> "people under 16", you mean children right? They're still people, don't be weird.

NVHacker 3mo ago

Nice try ! But the fact that the solution to protecting children comes with the maximum boost of government powers in the online world (across the set of all possible ways to protect children) is not a coincidence.

like_any_other 3mo ago

> Privacy != anonymity. Exactly. You can have your own misgivings about the UK government at home, in private, and share them with no-one. Or you can share them on the online public square, knowing the UK government will know exactly who wrote them. Good thing they never abuse their power of prosecution!

dofm 3mo ago
The government literally doesn't prosecute anyone. It is done by the CPS, which operates independently of government and the police. If I were a betting man I'd place a bet that you are further misinformed about the prosecutions you believe are happening and why. But I am not.
- like_any_other 3mo ago
  > It is done by the CPS, which operates independently of government and the police. I should have written "state", not "government", you're right. Does that change anything? But, article 35 of the Chinese constitution guarantees their citizens freedom of speech and of the press. You're beyond naive if you believe they're independent. > If I were a betting man I'd place a bet that you are further misinformed about the prosecutions you believe are happening and why. UK politicians admitted the Online Safety Act was: “not primarily aimed at … the protection of children”, but was about regulating “services that have a significant influence over public discourse” - https://archive.md/2025.08.13-190800/https://www.thetimes.com/comment/columnists/article/online-safety-act-botched-2xk8xwlps https://archive.md/2025.08.13-190800/https://www.thetimes.co... Even viewing "terrorist" material carries a potential 15 YEAR jail term: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41479620 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-41479620 It's OK to be white and similar stickers landed a man in jail: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51zn2l33r9o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c51zn2l33r9o https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/04/the-tyrannical-jailing-of-sam-melia/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2024/03/04/the-tyrannical-jail... I don't know how much worse you need it to be.
  - dofm 3mo ago
    I really do not know how to respond to this and it’s not because your critique is devastating.
    - like_any_other 3mo ago
      You can start by correcting any falsehoods I've written.
- michaelt 3mo ago
  The government literally doesn't prosecute anyone. It is done by the CPS, which the Prime Minister, Kier Starmer, was head of from 2007 to 2013.

drnick1 3mo ago

> Privacy != anonymity. In practice, if you lose one, then you also lose the other.

h4kunamata 3mo ago
In practice, they are not the same and therefore, you are not losing anything by giving up the other. Privacy: Not having your phone's app collecting all sort of information. Why does an album app wanna access your phone, contacts, geo location??? Why do I need to provide a personal document to have access to X?? Some posts won't show if I don't install X App and provide a digital ID which I don't do thanks to OPNSense. Anonymity: You shouldn't be on the internet in the first place, everything you do and post stays here forever. Even if you are using burner accounts, if you commit a digital crime, you can be tracked, full stop. People are using VPN expecting to become "anonym", that is not what it is for.

monadgonad 3mo ago

> "people under 16", you mean children right? They're still people, don't be weird.