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This is the SOC in the Nexus 10 right? Is someone working on a linux port for the N10? How's the video acceleration on this? I need to start a blog. I read lik

This is the SOC in the Nexus 10 right? Is someone working on a linux port for the N10? How's the video acceleration on this? I need to start a blog. I read like 2-3 hours worth of ARM news once or twice a week trying to track down the best HW/SW/price combination for a simple dumb XBMC-upnp frontend. The Rockchip devices have pretty crap support, though AMLogic released some sources that might help. Allwinner is finally making progress via AW's CedarX, though it's apparently still sufficiently buggy and they're back at the mercy of Allwinner. I've yet to see much about the Samsung setup though. I love the Exynos and would very happily spend another $100 in an attempt to find the right thing. That having been said, there are ~$50 versions of the HDMI stick that have powerful Cortex A9s in them that make these look over priced.

18pfsmt 14y ago
>trying to track down the best HW/SW/price combination for a simple dumb XBMC-upnp frontend. What's wrong with the Apple TV 2 with XBMC? Does it really need to be cheaper than $100 which includes power supply, and a decent enclosure? I've considered this a solved problem for a while.
- thedrbrian 14y ago
  >What's wrong with the Apple TV 2 with XBMC? Does it really need to be cheaper than $100 which includes power supply, and a decent enclosure? I've considered this a solved problem for a while. Apple. Some people have an irrational hatred of apple products plus they like having something they hacked together which doesn't work quite as well as a boxed product while also costing a little bit more.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    What a uselessly insulting reply. >Some people have an irrational hatred of apple products James Bond is playing on my third Macbook in 3 years, I'm typing on an Apple keyboard and helping my brother shop for an iPad mini. >they like having something they hacked together You got me. >doesn't work quite as well as a boxed product FUD. Keep telling yourself that while I have access to every Android app, plus everything afforded to me in Linux. At worst, you have to know which one to shop for that has decent support. It is annoying but it doesn't diminish the value of XBMC once it is up and running. >while also costing a little bit more FUD. What else can I say, that's just a lie. There are literally dozens of boxes with better specs for much less than the Apple TV.
- andrewcooke 14y ago
  i don't know anything about apple devices, but my impression was that they assumed you had everything else apple. if i have music on a samba network mount from a linux server, will apple tv play it, for example? also is it upnp - can i push music to it from windows and linux devices? airplay is something else, isn't it? maybe this apple tv thing is what i have been looking for. but i'm having trouble answering the above from their site.
  - jemeshsu 14y ago
    18pfsmt is talking about hacked AppleTV with XMBC installed, which will break the Apple wall garden and allows all the non-Apple media playing such as upnp, flac, mkv etc.
    - solnyshok 14y ago
      does it have enough oomph to play 10 GB mkv?
      - petemc_ 14y ago
        Yes. I can stream large (up to 20gig) x264 mkv files from a machine running ubuntu/samba. It doesn't play HD xvid files though.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  Because I can equip my entire house with them for less than it costs to get one or two Apple TVs? Also, honestly, looking through the Wiki, it looks like way more work than it is to `dd` to an SD card, put it in one of these HDMI sticks and plug it into a TV... Plus, I actually use the Netflix and Pandora apps on my $75 (that was 6 months ago, it's cheaper/faster now) little Android box that I use for XBMC currently. My point is simple, if the SOC and OEMs would get their act together, we could have a set of distributions and a CI system that could churn out system images for these devices. These cheap Android/Linux combos with Rockchip/AMLogic/etc, can be bought for as low as $30 when buying in bulk (where bulk is as low as 30 pcs). A $30 1.7Ghz dual core computer that can be plugged into any monitor and used immediately? And dual booted between the latest version of Android and Linux? Yes, I'll take that over Apple TV. :)
  - 18pfsmt 14y ago
    >I love the Exynos and would very happily spend another $100 in an attempt to find the right thing. >A $30 1.7Ghz dual core computer that can be plugged into any monitor These two statements seem to contradict each other, and the $30 price tag excludes the enclosure and power supply, which add up to another $30. It seems you are comparing the Apple TV to some product that you wish existed, but doesn't. I would certainly buy one if you can link to a comparable complete package for $100 or less because the Apple TV 3 still isn't jailbroken, and I have some friends I'd like to set up.
    - drivebyacct2 14y ago
      >I would certainly buy one if you can link to a comparable complete package for $100 or less because the Apple TV 3 still isn't jailbroken Sorry, you're right. Again, lots of stuff in my head that is based on watching this space. This stuff is a bit of a grab-bag right now. The biggest thing is, there are just so. damn. many. of them. And they're all different enough to make porting a headache. And they're often dumped by their OEM with buggy firmware and a lack of source code to go with it. So, what I meant was, I'm willing to spend $100 today on something that is well supported by and will support the Linux/Android community for development. I very honestly think that whoever does that first (Pengpod maybe?) will do very well at it. The MK802 III looks promising, already a Linux port is progress by someone who has the chops. I have the AMLogic box from OvalElephant and it works decently enough. Honestly, the Raspberry Pi is the best bang for your buck currently. You don't get 1080p but the hardware acceleration support is decent. (Also, the AMLogic M3 that is EVERYWHERE (seriously, you can get it for $30-$50 places if you look) and is likely to benefit from the Pivos software in the future). I think it's still a few months away from "complete package" in the sense that people think "complete package" with the Apple TV. That having been said, I'm still waiting for someone to do it 100% right.
mtgx 14y ago
No, this is based on Cortex A9 and Mali400. It's the SoC inside all the latest Samsung devices except Nexus 10. If you want the Nexus 10 board (Cortex A15/Mali T604), you can get it here: http://www.arndaleboard.org http://www.arndaleboard.org As for XBMC, there are several $100-$200 dual core Cortex A9 Google TV options, or you can get an OUYA: http://www.ouya.tv http://www.ouya.tv
esolyt 14y ago
> This is the SOC in the Nexus 10 right? Unfortunately no. Nexus 10 has the more powerful Exynos 5250.
makmanalp 14y ago
Such a blog would be awesome, or even better a comparison site like snapsort.com. There are so many new ones coming out and so much vaporware that it's hard to keep track. A killer dev board for me would have: - at least 2 cores - Linux-supported GPU, preferably with open drivers that are being actively developed - Able to run rudimentary linux desktop powerwise) Nice to haves: - USB powered - HDMI I don't want to buy a dev board and have to add 10 different addons with cables and junk hanging around it. If a lot of this comes builtin, I'm willing to drop a larger chunk of cash.
- brigade 14y ago
  These boards' power requirements are exceeding that of common USB ports - these ODROID boards in particular can pull about 6-7 watts alone. Practically all boards have HDMI, nothing has open GPU drivers and admittedly few have X11 drivers (just OMAP, Tegra, and Raspberry Pi right now I think.) Dunno what those 10 addons you're talking about are since you have relatively simple requirements outside of working X11 drivers.
  - makmanalp 14y ago
    Ah, thanks for the info! I mean stuff like how you need a power adaptor, a USB wifi card, USB hub, etc.
thaumaturgy 14y ago
We love our first-gen Raspberry Pi running XBMC.

18pfsmt 14y ago

>trying to track down the best HW/SW/price combination for a simple dumb XBMC-upnp frontend. What's wrong with the Apple TV 2 with XBMC? Does it really need to be cheaper than $100 which includes power supply, and a decent enclosure? I've considered this a solved problem for a while.

thedrbrian 14y ago
>What's wrong with the Apple TV 2 with XBMC? Does it really need to be cheaper than $100 which includes power supply, and a decent enclosure? I've considered this a solved problem for a while. Apple. Some people have an irrational hatred of apple products plus they like having something they hacked together which doesn't work quite as well as a boxed product while also costing a little bit more.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  What a uselessly insulting reply. >Some people have an irrational hatred of apple products James Bond is playing on my third Macbook in 3 years, I'm typing on an Apple keyboard and helping my brother shop for an iPad mini. >they like having something they hacked together You got me. >doesn't work quite as well as a boxed product FUD. Keep telling yourself that while I have access to every Android app, plus everything afforded to me in Linux. At worst, you have to know which one to shop for that has decent support. It is annoying but it doesn't diminish the value of XBMC once it is up and running. >while also costing a little bit more FUD. What else can I say, that's just a lie. There are literally dozens of boxes with better specs for much less than the Apple TV.
andrewcooke 14y ago
i don't know anything about apple devices, but my impression was that they assumed you had everything else apple. if i have music on a samba network mount from a linux server, will apple tv play it, for example? also is it upnp - can i push music to it from windows and linux devices? airplay is something else, isn't it? maybe this apple tv thing is what i have been looking for. but i'm having trouble answering the above from their site.
- jemeshsu 14y ago
  18pfsmt is talking about hacked AppleTV with XMBC installed, which will break the Apple wall garden and allows all the non-Apple media playing such as upnp, flac, mkv etc.
  - solnyshok 14y ago
    does it have enough oomph to play 10 GB mkv?
    - petemc_ 14y ago
      Yes. I can stream large (up to 20gig) x264 mkv files from a machine running ubuntu/samba. It doesn't play HD xvid files though.
drivebyacct2 14y ago
Because I can equip my entire house with them for less than it costs to get one or two Apple TVs? Also, honestly, looking through the Wiki, it looks like way more work than it is to `dd` to an SD card, put it in one of these HDMI sticks and plug it into a TV... Plus, I actually use the Netflix and Pandora apps on my $75 (that was 6 months ago, it's cheaper/faster now) little Android box that I use for XBMC currently. My point is simple, if the SOC and OEMs would get their act together, we could have a set of distributions and a CI system that could churn out system images for these devices. These cheap Android/Linux combos with Rockchip/AMLogic/etc, can be bought for as low as $30 when buying in bulk (where bulk is as low as 30 pcs). A $30 1.7Ghz dual core computer that can be plugged into any monitor and used immediately? And dual booted between the latest version of Android and Linux? Yes, I'll take that over Apple TV. :)
- 18pfsmt 14y ago
  >I love the Exynos and would very happily spend another $100 in an attempt to find the right thing. >A $30 1.7Ghz dual core computer that can be plugged into any monitor These two statements seem to contradict each other, and the $30 price tag excludes the enclosure and power supply, which add up to another $30. It seems you are comparing the Apple TV to some product that you wish existed, but doesn't. I would certainly buy one if you can link to a comparable complete package for $100 or less because the Apple TV 3 still isn't jailbroken, and I have some friends I'd like to set up.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    >I would certainly buy one if you can link to a comparable complete package for $100 or less because the Apple TV 3 still isn't jailbroken Sorry, you're right. Again, lots of stuff in my head that is based on watching this space. This stuff is a bit of a grab-bag right now. The biggest thing is, there are just so. damn. many. of them. And they're all different enough to make porting a headache. And they're often dumped by their OEM with buggy firmware and a lack of source code to go with it. So, what I meant was, I'm willing to spend $100 today on something that is well supported by and will support the Linux/Android community for development. I very honestly think that whoever does that first (Pengpod maybe?) will do very well at it. The MK802 III looks promising, already a Linux port is progress by someone who has the chops. I have the AMLogic box from OvalElephant and it works decently enough. Honestly, the Raspberry Pi is the best bang for your buck currently. You don't get 1080p but the hardware acceleration support is decent. (Also, the AMLogic M3 that is EVERYWHERE (seriously, you can get it for $30-$50 places if you look) and is likely to benefit from the Pivos software in the future). I think it's still a few months away from "complete package" in the sense that people think "complete package" with the Apple TV. That having been said, I'm still waiting for someone to do it 100% right.

mtgx 14y ago

No, this is based on Cortex A9 and Mali400. It's the SoC inside all the latest Samsung devices except Nexus 10. If you want the Nexus 10 board (Cortex A15/Mali T604), you can get it here: http://www.arndaleboard.org http://www.arndaleboard.org As for XBMC, there are several $100-$200 dual core Cortex A9 Google TV options, or you can get an OUYA: http://www.ouya.tv http://www.ouya.tv

esolyt 14y ago

> This is the SOC in the Nexus 10 right? Unfortunately no. Nexus 10 has the more powerful Exynos 5250.

makmanalp 14y ago

Such a blog would be awesome, or even better a comparison site like snapsort.com. There are so many new ones coming out and so much vaporware that it's hard to keep track. A killer dev board for me would have: - at least 2 cores - Linux-supported GPU, preferably with open drivers that are being actively developed - Able to run rudimentary linux desktop powerwise) Nice to haves: - USB powered - HDMI I don't want to buy a dev board and have to add 10 different addons with cables and junk hanging around it. If a lot of this comes builtin, I'm willing to drop a larger chunk of cash.

brigade 14y ago
These boards' power requirements are exceeding that of common USB ports - these ODROID boards in particular can pull about 6-7 watts alone. Practically all boards have HDMI, nothing has open GPU drivers and admittedly few have X11 drivers (just OMAP, Tegra, and Raspberry Pi right now I think.) Dunno what those 10 addons you're talking about are since you have relatively simple requirements outside of working X11 drivers.
- makmanalp 14y ago
  Ah, thanks for the info! I mean stuff like how you need a power adaptor, a USB wifi card, USB hub, etc.

thaumaturgy 14y ago

We love our first-gen Raspberry Pi running XBMC.