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The garage door I can certainly believe. Its AI brain just won’t be trained to look for that sort of thing. I’m surprised about the red lights and animals, how

The garage door I can certainly believe. Its AI brain just won’t be trained to look for that sort of thing. I’m surprised about the red lights and animals, however: ours seems very cautious around any kind of live animal on the road, even braking and manoeuvring to avoid birds on the road. It’s not so good at avoiding the corpses of already dead ones, however (bump!).

Retric 4mo ago
> The garage door I can certainly believe. Its AI brain just won’t be trained to look for that sort of thing. Why not? That’s likely to come up at minimum thousands of times per day, and likely vastly more as the system improves.
- Reason077 4mo ago
  I get the impression that it kind of comprehends the world as a horizontal plane. It’s focused on objects on the surface and isn’t looking for hazards coming from above. Could that be improved? Sure! Is it a priority for them? Maybe not…
  - Retric 4mo ago
    At minimum it needs to pay attention to railroad crossing bars and bridges. They show a 2D representation to the driver because that’s good enough for drivers, but I wouldn’t assume that represents how the system operates internally at every stage. Even navigating requires the concept of bridges crossing roads without intersecting them.
    - Reason077 4mo ago
      It is indeed known to have issues at railway crossings: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47783427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47783427 AFAIK, there's no issue with bridges that cross roads, however. It will just ignore a road that's above or below the one you're travelling on that doesn't intersect with yours. Just like a human driver would do.
      - Retric 4mo ago
        > It is indeed known to have issues at railway crossings: At scale you can “have issues” and still work 99% of the time. If it’s completely incapable of handling railroad crossings that’s relatively easy to verify. > AFAIK, there's no issue with bridges that cross roads, however. It will just ignore a road that's above or below the one you're travelling on that doesn't intersect with yours. Just like a human driver would do. As a user of the system that’s worked it all out it’s not an issue for you, but getting that behavior from raw sensor data is non trivial.
JumpCrisscross 4mo ago
> I’m surprised about the red lights and animals Both only happened once. But they were shocking when they did. (To be fair, my Subaru tried to push me into oncoming traffic because it was avoiding a “collision” from the guy in the other lane turning weirdly. Turned at collision-avoidance feature off.)

Retric 4mo ago

> The garage door I can certainly believe. Its AI brain just won’t be trained to look for that sort of thing. Why not? That’s likely to come up at minimum thousands of times per day, and likely vastly more as the system improves.

Reason077 4mo ago
I get the impression that it kind of comprehends the world as a horizontal plane. It’s focused on objects on the surface and isn’t looking for hazards coming from above. Could that be improved? Sure! Is it a priority for them? Maybe not…
- Retric 4mo ago
  At minimum it needs to pay attention to railroad crossing bars and bridges. They show a 2D representation to the driver because that’s good enough for drivers, but I wouldn’t assume that represents how the system operates internally at every stage. Even navigating requires the concept of bridges crossing roads without intersecting them.
  - Reason077 4mo ago
    It is indeed known to have issues at railway crossings: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47783427 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47783427 AFAIK, there's no issue with bridges that cross roads, however. It will just ignore a road that's above or below the one you're travelling on that doesn't intersect with yours. Just like a human driver would do.
    - Retric 4mo ago
      > It is indeed known to have issues at railway crossings: At scale you can “have issues” and still work 99% of the time. If it’s completely incapable of handling railroad crossings that’s relatively easy to verify. > AFAIK, there's no issue with bridges that cross roads, however. It will just ignore a road that's above or below the one you're travelling on that doesn't intersect with yours. Just like a human driver would do. As a user of the system that’s worked it all out it’s not an issue for you, but getting that behavior from raw sensor data is non trivial.

JumpCrisscross 4mo ago

> I’m surprised about the red lights and animals Both only happened once. But they were shocking when they did. (To be fair, my Subaru tried to push me into oncoming traffic because it was avoiding a “collision” from the guy in the other lane turning weirdly. Turned at collision-avoidance feature off.)