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Without knowing the "full" details of this crash, it is outrageous that Tesla calls it "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on their website. This is like naming a

by xnx 4mo ago

Without knowing the "full" details of this crash, it is outrageous that Tesla calls it "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" on their website. This is like naming a product "Healthy Dog Food (Rat poison)". If it requires supervision, it is not "full". Period. I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something.

magicalhippo 4mo ago
My SO just complained about the same when she found out the jug labled weed killer she bought in fact affects all plants and grass, not just weeds. "Why isn't it called plant killer rather than weed killer", she griped. Why indeed.
pjjpo 4mo ago
I agree with the sentiment and don't like Elon at all. But I think there is a case to say the Full refers to features, so not only lane change / parking, but actual driving fully. If it said Perfect FSD or even High Quality FSD, that's definitely worse, but we have to acknowledge FSD can fully drive in many cases, not enough for me to be comfortable enough maybe, but comparing to rat poison seems like a stretch.
general1465 4mo ago
> "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" Water (Dry)
- bumby 4mo ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water
  - spwa4 4mo ago
    Of course dry-water is actual water. Full self-driving isn't.
1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago
"I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something" Securities fraud Problem: need evidence of intent, e.g., Musk knew software would fail Example LaMontagne v. Tesla Claims https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.57.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Order https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.77.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Appeal https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.83.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... False advertising In progress, currently Tesla is appealing class certification Example In Re Tesla Advanced Driver Assistance Systems Litigation Claims https://dn721905.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.400427/gov.uscourts.cand.400427.102.0.pdf https://dn721905.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Tesla arguments https://ia800708.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ca9.f976438a-da32-4af7-8b85-3bea130087ea/gov.uscourts.ca9.f976438a-da32-4af7-8b85-3bea130087ea.7.0.pdf https://ia800708.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ca9.f97...

by xnx 4mo ago

magicalhippo 4mo ago

My SO just complained about the same when she found out the jug labled weed killer she bought in fact affects all plants and grass, not just weeds. "Why isn't it called plant killer rather than weed killer", she griped. Why indeed.

pjjpo 4mo ago

I agree with the sentiment and don't like Elon at all. But I think there is a case to say the Full refers to features, so not only lane change / parking, but actual driving fully. If it said Perfect FSD or even High Quality FSD, that's definitely worse, but we have to acknowledge FSD can fully drive in many cases, not enough for me to be comfortable enough maybe, but comparing to rat poison seems like a stretch.

general1465 4mo ago

> "Full Self-Driving (Supervised)" Water (Dry)

bumby 4mo ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_water
- spwa4 4mo ago
  Of course dry-water is actual water. Full self-driving isn't.

1vuio0pswjnm7 4mo ago

"I thought previous lawsuits would've forced Tesla to call it "Advanced Driver Assist" or something" Securities fraud Problem: need evidence of intent, e.g., Musk knew software would fail Example LaMontagne v. Tesla Claims https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.57.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Order https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.77.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Appeal https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.408922/gov.uscourts.cand.408922.83.0.pdf https://dn721902.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... False advertising In progress, currently Tesla is appealing class certification Example In Re Tesla Advanced Driver Assistance Systems Litigation Claims https://dn721905.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.400427/gov.uscourts.cand.400427.102.0.pdf https://dn721905.ca.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.40... Tesla arguments https://ia800708.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ca9.f976438a-da32-4af7-8b85-3bea130087ea/gov.uscourts.ca9.f976438a-da32-4af7-8b85-3bea130087ea.7.0.pdf https://ia800708.us.archive.org/3/items/gov.uscourts.ca9.f97...