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> 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. Is it possible FSD on this vehicle was a different version? Can't FSD change

> 1) I’ve put enough kms on FSD to know that it isn’t going to drive into a house. Is it possible FSD on this vehicle was a different version? Can't FSD change from one drive to the next, based on software updates or even external conditions? Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? > 3) Regardless of who was controlling it, why did this guy let his car jump the kerb and go through a house? Why was he going fast enough? Why is it called "Full Self Driving" if the person behind the wheel must control (or even just monitor) the speed?

aetherspawn 4mo ago
That’s exactly the thing. We’re on FSD 13 and America is on FSD 14, we’re always about a year behind. Yours is significantly better than ours (being RHD market), but ours still wouldn’t drive through a house.
- erentz 4mo ago
  You’re extremely confident about this just based on your experience of it not happening to you. It’s good that it hasn’t driven you into a house but that doesn’t mean it can’t fail in a way that does drive someone else into a house.
  - aetherspawn 4mo ago
    Well, I’ve seen it very confidently and correctly navigate rural unmarked roads, and drive around rocks and logs across the road and things like this. I find it hard to believe it would drive through a huge stationary object like a house, which I imagine is definitely in the training data. I guess I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I think at this stage it’s improbable.
    - jcgrillo 4mo ago
      The computer does not see things like you see things ;)
    - budsniffer952 4mo ago
      The fact that you are saying "but houses are in the training data!" demonstrates your naivete. Do you think there's some magic going on here?
IncreasePosts 4mo ago
I believe how good your FSD is also depends on how new your Tesla is because older ones are underpowered and maybe use an underpowered vision model
FireBeyond 4mo ago
> Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? Agreed. He's driven it "across Australia". Which means long straight highways for hundreds and hundreds of miles at a time (then recharge, then do long straight highway for hundreds and hundreds of miles), and often fairly lightly trafficked: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Perth,+Western+Australia,+Australia/Adelaide,+South+Australia,+Australia/@-31.6951325,125.9680373,766662m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x2a32966cdb47733d:0x304f0b535df55d0!2m2!1d115.8616783!2d-31.9513993!1m5!1m1!1s0x6ab735c7c526b33f:0x4033654628ec640!2m2!1d138.6007456!2d-34.9284989!3e0?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDYxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Perth,+Western+Australia,+Au... Like... absolutely shocking that FSD performs decently on well maintained, largely straight highway in generally clear desert conditions. Surely this is indicative of its behavior everywhere else! /s
- aetherspawn 4mo ago
  Haha. Driving through Sydney is way worse than Los Angeles. We don’t all live out in the sticks with snakes in our boots.
  - FireBeyond 4mo ago
    I would agree, and know well, though I lived in Melbourne for two decades. But still, "driving across Australia" doesn't involve a lot of time spent in the Sydney (or Melbourne) CBDs.

aetherspawn 4mo ago

That’s exactly the thing. We’re on FSD 13 and America is on FSD 14, we’re always about a year behind. Yours is significantly better than ours (being RHD market), but ours still wouldn’t drive through a house.

erentz 4mo ago
You’re extremely confident about this just based on your experience of it not happening to you. It’s good that it hasn’t driven you into a house but that doesn’t mean it can’t fail in a way that does drive someone else into a house.
- aetherspawn 4mo ago
  Well, I’ve seen it very confidently and correctly navigate rural unmarked roads, and drive around rocks and logs across the road and things like this. I find it hard to believe it would drive through a huge stationary object like a house, which I imagine is definitely in the training data. I guess I’m not saying it’s impossible, but I think at this stage it’s improbable.
  - jcgrillo 4mo ago
    The computer does not see things like you see things ;)
  - budsniffer952 4mo ago
    The fact that you are saying "but houses are in the training data!" demonstrates your naivete. Do you think there's some magic going on here?

IncreasePosts 4mo ago

I believe how good your FSD is also depends on how new your Tesla is because older ones are underpowered and maybe use an underpowered vision model

FireBeyond 4mo ago

> Perhaps you drove in a different region with differing conditions? Agreed. He's driven it "across Australia". Which means long straight highways for hundreds and hundreds of miles at a time (then recharge, then do long straight highway for hundreds and hundreds of miles), and often fairly lightly trafficked: https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Perth,+Western+Australia,+Australia/Adelaide,+South+Australia,+Australia/@-31.6951325,125.9680373,766662m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x2a32966cdb47733d:0x304f0b535df55d0!2m2!1d115.8616783!2d-31.9513993!1m5!1m1!1s0x6ab735c7c526b33f:0x4033654628ec640!2m2!1d138.6007456!2d-34.9284989!3e0?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI2MDYxNi4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Perth,+Western+Australia,+Au... Like... absolutely shocking that FSD performs decently on well maintained, largely straight highway in generally clear desert conditions. Surely this is indicative of its behavior everywhere else! /s

aetherspawn 4mo ago
Haha. Driving through Sydney is way worse than Los Angeles. We don’t all live out in the sticks with snakes in our boots.
- FireBeyond 4mo ago
  I would agree, and know well, though I lived in Melbourne for two decades. But still, "driving across Australia" doesn't involve a lot of time spent in the Sydney (or Melbourne) CBDs.