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Yep, even dancers who go on point later end up with injuries and issues like arthritis. It’s really that point is a bad idea, period. It’s an archaic holdover.

Yep, even dancers who go on point later end up with injuries and issues like arthritis. It’s really that point is a bad idea, period. It’s an archaic holdover. For some reason people don’t view it negatively like foot binding.

KPGv2 4mo ago
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- lstodd 4mo ago
  Okay, now attack boxing.
  - bobthepanda 4mo ago
    If anything, we’re reversing progress on this front, given we just had a UFC match on the front lawn of the White House.
- jrflowers 4mo ago
  “This smacks of misogyny!” I say as I cross out “sports where players regularly sustain CTE-causing injuries” and write “boys” https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/article/cte-concussion-womens-sports-19605252.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/article/cte-concussion-wo...
  - dpark 4mo ago
    “I’m so enlightened I forgot women play soccer” is definitely a weird take.
    - KPGv2 4mo ago
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      - jrflowers 4mo ago
        There is no sentence in this post that makes sense. “Women aren’t sports stars”, “only lesbians get CTE or whatever”, “I can’t have deeply bizarre takes about women’s sports because I have daughters” Nobody talked about any of these things man and you’re incoherent and/or wrong about all of them. Like normally it is pointless to evaluate word salad on whether it’s factual or not but it’s like you put a bunch of those fridge magnets with words on them in a bag, shook it up and dumped it on the floor, and somehow they all randomly managed to assemble into legible but only wrong statements
      - dpark 4mo ago
        You are making it weirder still by trying to defend your bias by saying it’s a problem with society. You are the one who called soccer a male sport. And now for some reason you are trotting out tropes about female soccer players being lesbians. Why?
- krapp 4mo ago
  I think it's more that the male-dominant sports are billion dollar industries driven by deep-seated cultures of masculinity that view safety as weakness, and spectatorship that wants to see violence. No one watches ballet wanting to hear the sound of the dancers' skulls colliding.
  - wahern 4mo ago
    They do watch for the en pointe, which is beautiful precisely because it's not something we expect bodies to be able to do. And the pain and injury risk also, I think, adds to the effect. I don't think it's all that different from what people experience seeing heads or bodies getting slammed, except en pointe is feminine coded (graceful) whereas slamming is masculine coded (brutish). Similarly, silent, hidden pain (feminine) versus pain as spectacle (masculine).
- dghlsakjg 4mo ago
  Do we? Never heard of this ballet thing til now. Have heard plenty of rumblings about headers in youth soccer. For both boys and girls. Male dancers and female athletes exist…
- alexashka 4mo ago
  There is no 'we'. There are different values that value different things. Slave values = sacrificing yourself is noble and good. Aristocracy values = being born an aristocrat is noble and good. Trader values = enriching oneself is noble and good. Religious fundamentalist values = following the one and only book is good. Little girl/consumer values = my emotions are good. Etc. Slave and religious values are being replaced by trader and little girl/consumer values. Boys embody slave or trader values. Girls embody little girl/consumer values. Boys go to war, girls are little princesses. Ballet/women's pro sports are a niche for the few women who embody slave values. Most embody little girl/consumer values.
  - jrflowers 4mo ago
    Things in Galt’s Gulch must be pretty crazy since they put in wifi
- mhb 4mo ago
  Wait till you hear about an insane game called (US) football!
wahern 4mo ago
I can't watch ballet. I actually, not figuratively, cringe when they do en pointe. It's like watching somebody cut themselves or even be in situations where they might, like an amateur youtube cook chopping unsafely; just physically and psychologically too uncomfortable for me. I don't have a problem with blood or injuries, per se; watching a surgical operation is tolerable, as long as I believe it's not actually painful. Maybe if I forced myself to watch enough ballet I'd learn to accept it's not that painful during the performance (is it?), but it'd take more effort than I care to put into it. Something about discrete, focused pain just triggers me. I also have to look away when getting my blood drawn or given a shot, and don't want to watch others getting the needle, either. Conversely, I think one of the reasons some people are mesmerized by en pointe is the idea of it being painful, in the moment or at least the training/practice, and the manifest dedication involved.

KPGv2 4mo ago

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lstodd 4mo ago
Okay, now attack boxing.
- bobthepanda 4mo ago
  If anything, we’re reversing progress on this front, given we just had a UFC match on the front lawn of the White House.
jrflowers 4mo ago
“This smacks of misogyny!” I say as I cross out “sports where players regularly sustain CTE-causing injuries” and write “boys” https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/article/cte-concussion-womens-sports-19605252.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/sports/article/cte-concussion-wo...
- dpark 4mo ago
  “I’m so enlightened I forgot women play soccer” is definitely a weird take.
  - KPGv2 4mo ago
    [flagged]
    - jrflowers 4mo ago
      There is no sentence in this post that makes sense. “Women aren’t sports stars”, “only lesbians get CTE or whatever”, “I can’t have deeply bizarre takes about women’s sports because I have daughters” Nobody talked about any of these things man and you’re incoherent and/or wrong about all of them. Like normally it is pointless to evaluate word salad on whether it’s factual or not but it’s like you put a bunch of those fridge magnets with words on them in a bag, shook it up and dumped it on the floor, and somehow they all randomly managed to assemble into legible but only wrong statements
    - dpark 4mo ago
      You are making it weirder still by trying to defend your bias by saying it’s a problem with society. You are the one who called soccer a male sport. And now for some reason you are trotting out tropes about female soccer players being lesbians. Why?
krapp 4mo ago
I think it's more that the male-dominant sports are billion dollar industries driven by deep-seated cultures of masculinity that view safety as weakness, and spectatorship that wants to see violence. No one watches ballet wanting to hear the sound of the dancers' skulls colliding.
- wahern 4mo ago
  They do watch for the en pointe, which is beautiful precisely because it's not something we expect bodies to be able to do. And the pain and injury risk also, I think, adds to the effect. I don't think it's all that different from what people experience seeing heads or bodies getting slammed, except en pointe is feminine coded (graceful) whereas slamming is masculine coded (brutish). Similarly, silent, hidden pain (feminine) versus pain as spectacle (masculine).
dghlsakjg 4mo ago
Do we? Never heard of this ballet thing til now. Have heard plenty of rumblings about headers in youth soccer. For both boys and girls. Male dancers and female athletes exist…
alexashka 4mo ago
There is no 'we'. There are different values that value different things. Slave values = sacrificing yourself is noble and good. Aristocracy values = being born an aristocrat is noble and good. Trader values = enriching oneself is noble and good. Religious fundamentalist values = following the one and only book is good. Little girl/consumer values = my emotions are good. Etc. Slave and religious values are being replaced by trader and little girl/consumer values. Boys embody slave or trader values. Girls embody little girl/consumer values. Boys go to war, girls are little princesses. Ballet/women's pro sports are a niche for the few women who embody slave values. Most embody little girl/consumer values.
- jrflowers 4mo ago
  Things in Galt’s Gulch must be pretty crazy since they put in wifi
mhb 4mo ago
Wait till you hear about an insane game called (US) football!

wahern 4mo ago

I can't watch ballet. I actually, not figuratively, cringe when they do en pointe. It's like watching somebody cut themselves or even be in situations where they might, like an amateur youtube cook chopping unsafely; just physically and psychologically too uncomfortable for me. I don't have a problem with blood or injuries, per se; watching a surgical operation is tolerable, as long as I believe it's not actually painful. Maybe if I forced myself to watch enough ballet I'd learn to accept it's not that painful during the performance (is it?), but it'd take more effort than I care to put into it. Something about discrete, focused pain just triggers me. I also have to look away when getting my blood drawn or given a shot, and don't want to watch others getting the needle, either. Conversely, I think one of the reasons some people are mesmerized by en pointe is the idea of it being painful, in the moment or at least the training/practice, and the manifest dedication involved.