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> you end up needing to ID your customers. You've needed to do that for at least ten years. Mobile internet either requires a contract, or an ID check before y

> you end up needing to ID your customers. You've needed to do that for at least ten years. Mobile internet either requires a contract, or an ID check before you get a sim (pay and go) Anyone providing internets is liable for what the users are doing. The way you got out of that is responding to legal requests. (originally mostly copyright) This is the frustrating thing, we have effective and relatively uncontroversial age gated network (mobile data) already. and it worked. but now they've done and fucked it up with OSA.

als0 4mo ago
I don’t think that would have worked. Parents buy phones for their kids since the kids can’t buy them. What would the choices be? Give them a phone or not give them a phone. I don’t think society is ready for that kind of choice anymore.
- KaiserPro 4mo ago
  But its already the case now! As in if you buy an sim now, it comes with filtered internet by default. its been like that for years You have to phone them up/log in and request the block to be removed.
- orthoxerox 4mo ago
  Or give them an age-locked phone that tells the websites it belongs to a minor.
dghlsakjg 4mo ago
I went to the uk with a foreign SIM. Didn’t have to show my id. I logged onto public WiFi networks without showing my id. Plenty of ways to get it done.
- KaiserPro 4mo ago
  sigh Yes, there are indeed loopholes. My point is this, we have this already, it works already, and if the government had actually researched rather than read the telegraph, we would have had a system that would be much less shouting at the tides to stop them coming in. of course your foreign sim didn't need ID, but given how easy it is to find out who you are from a sim, its not really needed. Moreover, most deliberate public wifi asks you to accept the ToS, so that they can legally cover themselves from what ever you are doing. They are still liable if they dont take "reasonable steps" to stop illegal activity occurring on their service.

als0 4mo ago

I don’t think that would have worked. Parents buy phones for their kids since the kids can’t buy them. What would the choices be? Give them a phone or not give them a phone. I don’t think society is ready for that kind of choice anymore.

KaiserPro 4mo ago
But its already the case now! As in if you buy an sim now, it comes with filtered internet by default. its been like that for years You have to phone them up/log in and request the block to be removed.
orthoxerox 4mo ago
Or give them an age-locked phone that tells the websites it belongs to a minor.

dghlsakjg 4mo ago

I went to the uk with a foreign SIM. Didn’t have to show my id. I logged onto public WiFi networks without showing my id. Plenty of ways to get it done.

KaiserPro 4mo ago
sigh Yes, there are indeed loopholes. My point is this, we have this already, it works already, and if the government had actually researched rather than read the telegraph, we would have had a system that would be much less shouting at the tides to stop them coming in. of course your foreign sim didn't need ID, but given how easy it is to find out who you are from a sim, its not really needed. Moreover, most deliberate public wifi asks you to accept the ToS, so that they can legally cover themselves from what ever you are doing. They are still liable if they dont take "reasonable steps" to stop illegal activity occurring on their service.