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I wonder how this system can be protected from spam - if anyone can send data there, enemy can, too

by tpolm 3mo ago

embedding-shape 3mo ago
I feel like if/once they reach the number of expected participants (10k), it'd be easy to filter out the spam as long as the majority are truthful.
- sourcegrift 3mo ago
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  - embedding-shape 3mo ago
    "Unwanted traffic", is what I go by typically. What is your understanding (if you have one) of that term?
    - quietbritishjim 3mo ago
      Spam specifically means (at least originally) so much unwanted traffic that it overwhelms legitimate traffic. So can I see why that commenter might have considered it a contradiction to say "the majority being truthful" as a strategy to deal with spam. The name comes from a Monty Python sketch where "SPAM!" is being sung so loudly that it drowned out any other conservation.
      - embedding-shape 3mo ago
        > Spam specifically means (at least originally) so much unwanted traffic that it overwhelms legitimate traffic. I guess what today is more commonly known as DOS (or even DDOS sometimes, even if it isn't actually "distributed" per se, for some reason). I did know about the name since before, but not the original meaning, so cheers for the explanation :)
        quietbritishjim 3mo ago
        I'd still say DOS is a little different because it's the server that can't tell what's valid; to the human, in that situation, if their request eventually completes then it's definitely their data coming back, it just completes slowly or not at all. With spam, it's a human wading through junk to find valid data.
- tpolm 3mo ago
  So what prevents enemy from creating 20knparticipants constantly sending fake data?
  - embedding-shape 3mo ago
    Nothing, but what's the value when it's trivial to filter it away based on known good actors? There will be a frontline somewhere, if suddenly it's reporting drones on the other end of the country, and you know there is no good nodes there, you ignore it.

I wonder how this system can be protected from spam - if anyone can send data there, enemy can, too

by tpolm 3mo ago

I wonder how this system can be protected from spam - if anyone can send data there, enemy can, too

I feel like if/once they reach the number of expected participants (10k), it'd be easy to filter out the spam as long as the majority are truthful.

sourcegrift 3mo ago
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- embedding-shape 3mo ago
  "Unwanted traffic", is what I go by typically. What is your understanding (if you have one) of that term?
  - quietbritishjim 3mo ago
    Spam specifically means (at least originally) so much unwanted traffic that it overwhelms legitimate traffic. So can I see why that commenter might have considered it a contradiction to say "the majority being truthful" as a strategy to deal with spam. The name comes from a Monty Python sketch where "SPAM!" is being sung so loudly that it drowned out any other conservation.
    - embedding-shape 3mo ago
      > Spam specifically means (at least originally) so much unwanted traffic that it overwhelms legitimate traffic. I guess what today is more commonly known as DOS (or even DDOS sometimes, even if it isn't actually "distributed" per se, for some reason). I did know about the name since before, but not the original meaning, so cheers for the explanation :)
      - quietbritishjim 3mo ago
        I'd still say DOS is a little different because it's the server that can't tell what's valid; to the human, in that situation, if their request eventually completes then it's definitely their data coming back, it just completes slowly or not at all. With spam, it's a human wading through junk to find valid data.
tpolm 3mo ago
So what prevents enemy from creating 20knparticipants constantly sending fake data?
- embedding-shape 3mo ago
  Nothing, but what's the value when it's trivial to filter it away based on known good actors? There will be a frontline somewhere, if suddenly it's reporting drones on the other end of the country, and you know there is no good nodes there, you ignore it.