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i'm sorry, I cannot agree that anything like that can create "originality".

taneq 3mo ago
Creativity can be thought of as a combination of two things: A random idea generator, and a nonsense filter. Generate new random results ideas, filter out the nonsense ones, and you’ve generated good ideas.
- boston_clone 3mo ago
  A massive chasm exists between good, creative ideas and ideas that aren’t nonsense.
  - CrimsonRain 3mo ago
    That's why most people are not creative, and tbqh, rather dumb
  - coldtea 3mo ago
    Not that massive. A lot of good, creative ideas have been called out and derived as nonsense or crazy. Many still are.
  - stevenhuang 3mo ago
    Yeah you should really familiarize yourself with the history of scientific achievements, it will quickly disabuse you of this notion. What separates is often a thin line and dogged persistence, hardly the chasm you make it seem.
- itsalwaysgood 3mo ago
  Creativity also requires information. And Information is discovered. We can only generate random ideas from what we know. We can't imagine something we've never sensed, or know. You can't imagine a color you've never seen without recalling known colors. You can freely mix ideas due to your imagination. But when we discover new information, we must decide whether the information is useful. Otherwise the information is considered noise. We give weight to decisions: time spent pondering, considering, and the more weight we give, the better the decision. Almost always the idea is measured in usefulness. Sound familiar?
- Earw0rm 3mo ago
  IMV creativity that matters contains a third ingredient: intent, purpose, the will to make an artistic statement of some kind about how the world is or should be.
  - goodmythical 3mo ago
    That's just an anthropomorphic viewpoint though. One could argue from a religious standpoint that creativity requires a spark of divinity. One could argue from a naturalist standpoint that natural selection has been a creative process in which nature tries random things until they stick for no purpose that we can directly observe. One could argue from a platonic standpoint that creativity in this realm of existence is merely the process of approximating ideal forms. I'd wager that creativity is a human construct and therefore up to interpretation. Kinda like how the ancient greeks didn't have as many colors words as we did. Was it because they couldn't see all the colors we could see? No, it was because in their opinion only certain color words were necessary to discuss what was important.
coldtea 3mo ago
As opposed to what? Water and tissue?
- ProllyInfamous 3mo ago
  >>They're made out of meat... >>>They're made out of weights...
mr_toad 3mo ago
It still surprises me that people can complain about LLMs making things up (i.e. hallucinating), and simultaneously complain that they never produce anything original.

taneq 3mo ago

Creativity can be thought of as a combination of two things: A random idea generator, and a nonsense filter. Generate new random results ideas, filter out the nonsense ones, and you’ve generated good ideas.

boston_clone 3mo ago
A massive chasm exists between good, creative ideas and ideas that aren’t nonsense.
- CrimsonRain 3mo ago
  That's why most people are not creative, and tbqh, rather dumb
- coldtea 3mo ago
  Not that massive. A lot of good, creative ideas have been called out and derived as nonsense or crazy. Many still are.
- stevenhuang 3mo ago
  Yeah you should really familiarize yourself with the history of scientific achievements, it will quickly disabuse you of this notion. What separates is often a thin line and dogged persistence, hardly the chasm you make it seem.
itsalwaysgood 3mo ago
Creativity also requires information. And Information is discovered. We can only generate random ideas from what we know. We can't imagine something we've never sensed, or know. You can't imagine a color you've never seen without recalling known colors. You can freely mix ideas due to your imagination. But when we discover new information, we must decide whether the information is useful. Otherwise the information is considered noise. We give weight to decisions: time spent pondering, considering, and the more weight we give, the better the decision. Almost always the idea is measured in usefulness. Sound familiar?
Earw0rm 3mo ago
IMV creativity that matters contains a third ingredient: intent, purpose, the will to make an artistic statement of some kind about how the world is or should be.
- goodmythical 3mo ago
  That's just an anthropomorphic viewpoint though. One could argue from a religious standpoint that creativity requires a spark of divinity. One could argue from a naturalist standpoint that natural selection has been a creative process in which nature tries random things until they stick for no purpose that we can directly observe. One could argue from a platonic standpoint that creativity in this realm of existence is merely the process of approximating ideal forms. I'd wager that creativity is a human construct and therefore up to interpretation. Kinda like how the ancient greeks didn't have as many colors words as we did. Was it because they couldn't see all the colors we could see? No, it was because in their opinion only certain color words were necessary to discuss what was important.

coldtea 3mo ago

As opposed to what? Water and tissue?

ProllyInfamous 3mo ago
>>They're made out of meat... >>>They're made out of weights...

mr_toad 3mo ago

It still surprises me that people can complain about LLMs making things up (i.e. hallucinating), and simultaneously complain that they never produce anything original.