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> The US military executed nearly flawlessly Did they? They - Started the war off by (to all appearances accidentally) bombing a girls elementary school - Ha

by gpm 4mo ago

> The US military executed nearly flawlessly Did they? They - Started the war off by (to all appearances accidentally) bombing a girls elementary school - Had an aircraft carrier spontaneously catch fire via laundry - forcing it to go for repairs mid war - Lost a bunch of very expensive aircraft, and some (though not very many per airframe) soldiers with them - Proved that the F-35s stealth capabilities aren't quite what they were hyped up to be by having one hit by a guided missile And on the strategic objectives front (where, to be fair, they were given impossible tasks) - Killed the person they were hoping to install as the new head of state - Didn't manage to destroy Iran's missile launch capability - Didn't manage to secure the straight of hormuz - Didn't manage to defend their own bases against missile attacks, instead fleeing to hotels

everyone 4mo ago
Also.. * USA (or Israel really) started this war on their own terms at a time of their choosing. But they werent prepared at all. * Incredibly valuable things like THAAD radars (like $1B per unit) were taken out by $1000 drones.. We've all seen the war in Ukraine, we all know Iran makes Shahed drones. US seemed to be completely unprepared for this. * US was using $1M pac 3 patriot missiles to shoot down $1000 drones, utterly failing the shot exchange problem. Also US has run down its stockpiles of many missiles to 50% or less. It will take 3 or 4 years to return many items to acceptable levels, and wont be able sell any either, leaving customers seeking alternatives. * Clear miscoordination and lack of clarity between US and allies. Like no-one really knew what was happening or why, leading to stuff like the ghost of Kuwait. Classic trump regieme action. No-one competent in the room. Just impulsively doing random shit each day with no strategy or understanding.
- paulryanrogers 4mo ago
  > Classic trump regieme action. No-one competent in the room. Just impulsively doing random shit each day with no strategy or understanding. It has echoes of LBJ and later Nixon trying to control a massive conflict from thousands of miles a way, based mostly on vibes.
  - antod 4mo ago
    Vibes? There's a fallacy named after McNamara trying to break it down to numerical metrics. Vibes probably would've served them better. I think they had much more intelligence and competence back then, even if they were wrong. Now it's stupidity and incompetence on top of being wrong.
Natfan 4mo ago
on that last one: don't americans talk a lot of shit about hamas using residential areas as cover? what, pray tell, is cohousing your military with civilian in hotels?

by gpm 4mo ago

everyone 4mo ago

Also.. * USA (or Israel really) started this war on their own terms at a time of their choosing. But they werent prepared at all. * Incredibly valuable things like THAAD radars (like $1B per unit) were taken out by $1000 drones.. We've all seen the war in Ukraine, we all know Iran makes Shahed drones. US seemed to be completely unprepared for this. * US was using $1M pac 3 patriot missiles to shoot down $1000 drones, utterly failing the shot exchange problem. Also US has run down its stockpiles of many missiles to 50% or less. It will take 3 or 4 years to return many items to acceptable levels, and wont be able sell any either, leaving customers seeking alternatives. * Clear miscoordination and lack of clarity between US and allies. Like no-one really knew what was happening or why, leading to stuff like the ghost of Kuwait. Classic trump regieme action. No-one competent in the room. Just impulsively doing random shit each day with no strategy or understanding.

paulryanrogers 4mo ago
> Classic trump regieme action. No-one competent in the room. Just impulsively doing random shit each day with no strategy or understanding. It has echoes of LBJ and later Nixon trying to control a massive conflict from thousands of miles a way, based mostly on vibes.
- antod 4mo ago
  Vibes? There's a fallacy named after McNamara trying to break it down to numerical metrics. Vibes probably would've served them better. I think they had much more intelligence and competence back then, even if they were wrong. Now it's stupidity and incompetence on top of being wrong.

Natfan 4mo ago

on that last one: don't americans talk a lot of shit about hamas using residential areas as cover? what, pray tell, is cohousing your military with civilian in hotels?