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We paid to get out of kerfuffle in hopes voters forget by the midterms.

ramijames 5mo ago
I'm torn between "this was so bad, there's no way that they can forget" and "god, there's just enough time for just enough people to forget". I hate this.
fhub 5mo ago
Paid starting it. Paid during it. Paid to end it. Political capital + diplomatic reputation + military reputation + strategic reputation.. and cash.
fny 5mo ago
I'd bet Iran will find a way remind voters in October.
- bigmattystyles 5mo ago
  Are you kidding, Iran is loving the current US leadership.
  - paulryanrogers 5mo ago
    Are they? They may come out stronger than before in the long term. Yet in the short term they've lost iconic and experienced leaders, their navy, and plenty of other military assets. I suppose they may be grateful to have an enemy uniting their people. Though it's not like they lost control of the opposition, even if they've had to kill a few thousand at a time.
    - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
      Oil prices are up, they're getting transiting fees now, as well, and other gulf states were weakened by the conflict. Assume the leadership of both Iran and the US are kleptocrats who both have motivations to have oil prices high and people dependent on them and it all makes a lot more sense. The Iranian people, that's a different story.
    - colechristensen 5mo ago
      Their stranglehold on power is in no small way influenced by having an enemy. America bringing destruction and failing to bring freedom from their current tyranny has doubtfully bought us many more friends in Iran.
      - Danox 5mo ago
        Doubtful, wishful thinking, America should’ve left well enough alone in 1953. We got rid of a president who was elected, who wanted to nationalize the oil industry within Iran, and when the puppet was installed the Shah he kept it nationalized anyway and for America, the Middle East became a quagmire and still is billions wasted. Too bad the Pan America highway or a Pan-American Railway is but a dream the Chinese probably will get that high speed rail all the way to Europe once Russia and the Ukraine stop fighting, I might add if it wasn’t for the war. There’s a good possibility. It would already be done by now.
        wqaatwt 5mo ago
        Mosaddegh was appointed by the Shah and Iran was very far from a functioning democracy with fair elections in 1953.
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        colechristensen 5mo ago
        There was a lot more going on in Iran than just American meddling. They were modernizing very fast and there became a huge class divide between the urban modern upper middle class and the very traditional rural populations.
    - Haven880 5mo ago
      That old guy already on deathbed from cancer. He basically given death bonus to the country, immortalized like George Washington of Iran. Thank you. Trump! Greatest American and Iranian and world president!
    - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
      > Yet in the short term they've lost iconic and experienced leaders Not an issue for those promoted into their places! There is still a moderate faction in Iran that the IRGC needs an excuse to execute.
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    - lenkite 5mo ago
      > Yet in the short term they've lost iconic and experienced leaders, their navy, and plenty of other military assets. They lost old hardware and aging leaders (some were already dying). Now, replaced with fresh and energetic leadership and pipeline for modern tech.
      - therealpygon 5mo ago
        And we’re basically paying for the upgrades…
      - Recurecur 5mo ago
        No, they lost their state of the art missile and drone factories as well as all of their nuclear facilities. Not to mention their navy and Air Force… I’m pretty sure the “fresh and energetic leadership” won’t enjoy their positions if hostilities resume, which seems likely.
- Andrex 5mo ago
  Nothing surprising ever happens in October. You're talking crazy here.
  - wang_li 5mo ago
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    - amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
      Like trump? Say it ain't so!
    - solid_fuel 5mo ago
      > the dude is a nazi pedo trust fund nepo baby You do realize republicans consider that prime credentials for president, right?

I'm torn between "this was so bad, there's no way that they can forget" and "god, there's just enough time for just enough people to forget". I hate this.

fhub 5mo ago

Paid starting it. Paid during it. Paid to end it. Political capital + diplomatic reputation + military reputation + strategic reputation.. and cash.

fny 5mo ago

I'd bet Iran will find a way remind voters in October.

bigmattystyles 5mo ago
Are you kidding, Iran is loving the current US leadership.
- paulryanrogers 5mo ago
  Are they? They may come out stronger than before in the long term. Yet in the short term they've lost iconic and experienced leaders, their navy, and plenty of other military assets. I suppose they may be grateful to have an enemy uniting their people. Though it's not like they lost control of the opposition, even if they've had to kill a few thousand at a time.
  - cmrdporcupine 5mo ago
    Oil prices are up, they're getting transiting fees now, as well, and other gulf states were weakened by the conflict. Assume the leadership of both Iran and the US are kleptocrats who both have motivations to have oil prices high and people dependent on them and it all makes a lot more sense. The Iranian people, that's a different story.
  - colechristensen 5mo ago
    Their stranglehold on power is in no small way influenced by having an enemy. America bringing destruction and failing to bring freedom from their current tyranny has doubtfully bought us many more friends in Iran.
    - Danox 5mo ago
      Doubtful, wishful thinking, America should’ve left well enough alone in 1953. We got rid of a president who was elected, who wanted to nationalize the oil industry within Iran, and when the puppet was installed the Shah he kept it nationalized anyway and for America, the Middle East became a quagmire and still is billions wasted. Too bad the Pan America highway or a Pan-American Railway is but a dream the Chinese probably will get that high speed rail all the way to Europe once Russia and the Ukraine stop fighting, I might add if it wasn’t for the war. There’s a good possibility. It would already be done by now.
      - wqaatwt 5mo ago
        Mosaddegh was appointed by the Shah and Iran was very far from a functioning democracy with fair elections in 1953.
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      - colechristensen 5mo ago
        There was a lot more going on in Iran than just American meddling. They were modernizing very fast and there became a huge class divide between the urban modern upper middle class and the very traditional rural populations.
  - Haven880 5mo ago
    That old guy already on deathbed from cancer. He basically given death bonus to the country, immortalized like George Washington of Iran. Thank you. Trump! Greatest American and Iranian and world president!
  - JumpCrisscross 5mo ago
    > Yet in the short term they've lost iconic and experienced leaders Not an issue for those promoted into their places! There is still a moderate faction in Iran that the IRGC needs an excuse to execute.
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  - lenkite 5mo ago
    > Yet in the short term they've lost iconic and experienced leaders, their navy, and plenty of other military assets. They lost old hardware and aging leaders (some were already dying). Now, replaced with fresh and energetic leadership and pipeline for modern tech.
    - therealpygon 5mo ago
      And we’re basically paying for the upgrades…
    - Recurecur 5mo ago
      No, they lost their state of the art missile and drone factories as well as all of their nuclear facilities. Not to mention their navy and Air Force… I’m pretty sure the “fresh and energetic leadership” won’t enjoy their positions if hostilities resume, which seems likely.
Andrex 5mo ago
Nothing surprising ever happens in October. You're talking crazy here.
- wang_li 5mo ago
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  - amanaplanacanal 5mo ago
    Like trump? Say it ain't so!
  - solid_fuel 5mo ago
    > the dude is a nazi pedo trust fund nepo baby You do realize republicans consider that prime credentials for president, right?