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How is it any different than a centralized social media service then? Merely the fact that you can get a firehose from the website in a standard format? This wa

How is it any different than a centralized social media service then? Merely the fact that you can get a firehose from the website in a standard format? This was already the case with HTTP. The problem is that websites can leverage their power to make a locked-in ecosystem. see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxV14h0kFs0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxV14h0kFs0 twitter, etc once had a much more open API. so did reddit. This was just the first stage of their penetration strategy. The decentralization is totally irrelevant due to the way it's implemented. The problem is that Apps are sticky, so app developers have undue power to control their users. The "content hosts" "moderators" etc need to be completely cut out of the picture to be at the same level of censorship resistance as an RSS-shared blog. I can host a blog on my own computer, and you can subscribe to it without that many intermediaries.

danabramov 4mo ago
Sure, you could say it’s a set of conventions on top of what you’re describing — that imo is sufficient to shift the incentive picture. It’s a firehose of typed JSON that’s canonically stored at URLs that survive hosting changes and can link to other JSON. It’s signed and verifiable and links to other JSON. So the new thing here is that if everyone’s data exists in this format, the competition between apps is guaranteed. Because a competitor doesn’t start with nothing: they start with the same userbase and the same content. They can immediately start competing on features, moderation, product experience, etc, without first “luring” everyone to register again and start their entire graphs from scratch. I think that makes a big difference. Don’t you think?
- allwashedup 4mo ago
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- inigyou 4mo ago
  99.8% on BlueSky PBC. If they turn off federation, it becomes centralised.
- zoul 4mo ago
  New services don’t start with the same userbase because users don’t use protocols, they use apps. And for Bluesky that’s predominantly a single centralized app. If that demotes content from the “competitors” or even switches the protocol completely, you are stuffed. The apps are very much not equal.

danabramov 4mo ago

Sure, you could say it’s a set of conventions on top of what you’re describing — that imo is sufficient to shift the incentive picture. It’s a firehose of typed JSON that’s canonically stored at URLs that survive hosting changes and can link to other JSON. It’s signed and verifiable and links to other JSON. So the new thing here is that if everyone’s data exists in this format, the competition between apps is guaranteed. Because a competitor doesn’t start with nothing: they start with the same userbase and the same content. They can immediately start competing on features, moderation, product experience, etc, without first “luring” everyone to register again and start their entire graphs from scratch. I think that makes a big difference. Don’t you think?

allwashedup 4mo ago
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inigyou 4mo ago
99.8% on BlueSky PBC. If they turn off federation, it becomes centralised.
zoul 4mo ago
New services don’t start with the same userbase because users don’t use protocols, they use apps. And for Bluesky that’s predominantly a single centralized app. If that demotes content from the “competitors” or even switches the protocol completely, you are stuffed. The apps are very much not equal.